Cheap laugh

[gettin2dizzy]

Obesity 'not individuals' fault'

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40530000/jpg/_40530001_burger203.jpg It is said we live in an 'obesogenic' environment

Individuals can no longer be held responsible for obesity so government must act to stop Britain "sleepwalking" into a crisis, a report has concluded.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7047244.stm

[gettin2dizzy]

That fish finger burger looks mmmmmmmm:)

[Pedrosa]

OMG..just wait until FS sees this!#-o

[Diveboy]

I'm not overweight I'm just too short for my size.

[Luckypants]

Mmmmmmm hungry now! time for a super sized burger!

[Pedrosa]

I have many a non PC comment to make on this subject but await permission before proceeding.

P.S. Dont anybody be coming around here telling me it's not their fault it's their glands/hormones or past pregnancy as excuses to condone it.;)

[fizzwheel]

I have many a non PC comment to make on this subject but await permission before proceeding.

Go for it, As long as its on subject and non of the forum guidelines at the top of IB are broken then I dont have a problem with it.

I think half the things that are wrong with this country is because people dont feel able to say what they mean, as it breaks all this PC mumbo jumbo that we've got tangled up in.

[hovis]

I have many a non PC comment to make on this subject but await permission before proceeding.

.;)

Go for it.

permission granted

[Warthog]

I think it's the government's fault I'm so lazy, and I'm going to jolly well sit here until they do something about it!

[Pedrosa]

Ok firstly I am not wicked enough to condemn those people that suffer from obesity due to any manner of health problems. Health problems as a result of obesity, is very diffeent though. The majority of cases…and I am talking about the real tubbers out there,( not just those who nowadays carry a few extra pounds around.) are a creation of their own decision making, lack of imagination and frankly bone idleness.

I grew up right next door to a whole family of tubbers. The parents and the two sons,( who were each within a year of my age). Lovely people but goodness they were a sight. Now were as I was out running around playing football, rugby or practising martial arts my neighbours sons would consider the walk to school and back,( less than 2 mile round trip) more than enough exercise thank you very much.

Now all that was before internet and before computer games provided in house entertainment for people. They were simply content to gorge on food and sit in front of the TV:

Personally I find the sight of “grossly” overweight people disgusting. Those that know me will draw my attention to an approaching overweight female,(have you noticed they so often wear those tight leggings and their thighs roll over each other as they waddle along?) knowing that when I spot her I will recoil at the vision.

These people are costing the economy of the UK 7 billion pounds sterling per year! That is an official estimate for extra health care, benefits, time off work and production losses, plus they so often can’t even hold a job etc etc.

But don’t think you are not subsidising them already apart from your salary deductions. If you are an average sized person you will pay the same for say a pair of trousers waist size 34 as old tuber does for his of size 52 waist…so you see how your subsidising? Your paying more in true terms for yours. If you think about it there must be other examples of tubber getting a better deal than you?

These people need a slap awake. Benefits? If they are on benefits due to the fact they have other ailments due to their obesity, stop the benefits. This includes unemployment benefit if they are unable to secure work due to their size. Make them attend fitness for life classes were diet and exercise programmes can be designed for each individual. They should be made to get down to around no more than 2 stone above their ideal weight for height before the benefit system considers them again. They should be weighed every time they attend for signing on and if an upward trend in weight can be seen then a warning of benefit withdrawal made.

Of course we cannot now remove the safety net for those already on benefits but methods should be used to educate and wean them off surely? A campaign must be launched to show people that obesity unless proven to be as a result of a medical condition will no longer be treated sympathetically by the state and so that from “X” date anyone requiring assistance due to their own self inflicted obesity will not receive benefits. Remove that for them and I am sure a different attitude will begin to prevail.

Thus education would be shared with those in gainful employment as God forbid they become unemployed and they have been living a life of excess then they also will not receive benefits.

Simple formula:

Over eating + Lack of exercise = Obesity + additional health problems.

I do not go along with the fact that it is the fault of the “fast and ready made foods” eating even half healthily can cost way less than a lot of that crap anyway. Decisions again you see? Healthy foods can be abused by over use of course but again it is all about decision making.

Hell we all suffer from fluctuations in our weight from time to time, but fluctuations are not the problem here. This is excessive animal like behaviour which should not be pampered by the state. What stops one persons fluctuation in weight from becoming a case of gross obesity? Decision making……I need to do something about this.

There are many on this forum who work hard to earn a crust and ideally would just crash with their feet up at the end of a working day. But many go running, attend gym sessions, cycle or hike to help keep trim and healthy. decision making once again.

Thank you for allowing to vent on this topic.:confused:

[Diveboy]

Yeah - Supermarkets should be like Pubs. "Sorry mate you're too fat I'm not serving you!!!"

[phil24_7]

Yeah - Supermarkets should be like Pubs. "Sorry mate you're too fat I'm not serving you!!!"

LMFAO!

[Ping]

Smokers, drinkers, bikers, people who overdo sport, clumsy people... All cost the nhs...

This current trend of going ape over a bunch of overweight people is, in my opinion, pretty damned pathetic. More media-enhanced hysteria.

Blessed art thou who live the perfect lifestyle... good ol' wholesome bunch that they are.

It seriously gets my goat when I see this sort of anti-fat griping. There have always been fat people. I'm related to 'tubbers', yeah sure they could do with losing weight, better they hadn't got that way in the first place but it happened. The sheer force of will it would take to cut down and conform to 'healthy' standards is a HUGE undertaking when it's gone that far. Worth it?

It's hard enough for me to try and eat responsibly, not to mention it being a HUGE drag that makes me unhappy.

It's just like the anti-smoking thing except they're not risking anyone else's health. Leave 'em be if they're happy.

[Kate Moss]

if the person doesn't mind being fat though, why should anyone else care? i moan about beeing too heavy and then go and eat an entire packet of maryland cookies, so i have noone to blame but myself! Im proud to say im the heaviest i've ever been!!

[Diveboy]

Nothing better than a pizza, chips, curry, beer or Italian. I have them all the time. I do however eat healthy other than that. Play football twice a week and run.

If I eat bad a lot I run more simple as that.

It makes me sick the amount of fat people around these days. It's not even like they hide the fact like a few years ago. Newcastle, Nottingham and York (places I go a lot) are full of fat 14-35 year olds with tight pants and skimpy tops ERRRRRRR!!!! Stop it stop it now!

[Kate Moss]

Nothing better than a pizza, chips, curry, beer or Italian. I have them all the time. I do however eat healthy other than that. Play football twice a week and run.

If I eat bad a lot I run more simple as that.

It makes me sick the amount of fat people around these days. It's not even like they hide the fact like a few years ago. Newcastle, Nottingham and York (places I go a lot) are full of fat 14-35 year olds with tight pants and skimpy tops ERRRRRRR!!!! Stop it stop it now!


but what does it matter if they are fat, surely its only a problem if they are the one whinging about it?? i agree though that people should choose clothes that suit them!

[Pedrosa]

Ping..There might well have always been fat people, but not in the numbers that are present today. Plus you miss the point that they cost money due to their self imposed condition.

Someone getting injured whilst exercising for example are merely unfortunate. There is no comparison. The list of ailments that most certainly can arise due to obesity...and once again I stress that I do not refer to those simply carrying a few extra pounds around.

I must take issue with your point, if people are obese they should have had the will not to get that way in the first place.

The report mentioned on the Beeb website was not media driven at all. I understand your sympathy due to you knowing people whop fall in to the category that I take issue with, but there is a problem out there. believe me the authorities are starting to look long and hard at it here in Spain also.

[hovis]

it does seem that people seem to be proud of being "tubbers" lately?

wearing skimpy clothes and such

[Kate Moss]

it does seem that people seem to be proud of being "tubbers" lately?

wearing skimpy clothes and such



Big is Beautiful!!!

[Pedrosa]

but what does it matter if they are fat, surely its only a problem if they are the one whinging about it?? i agree though that people should choose clothes that suit them!

Mrs.Part timer......They might not whinge, but they look disgusting. So when they suffer from heart disease,back pains,joint aches,cholesterol problems etc etc they simply suffer in silence and don't go off draining the NHS system? Hmmm.

No one has to live the life of a monk in order to not be a fatso. Try like moderation? Far too much salad dodgeing going on these days...mark my words.

[gettin2dizzy]

<obese>-----------<tubby>-----------<slim>-----------<posh spice>

I think the difference between being fat and obese needs to be remembered. I have to agree, being obese disgusts me. I've lived with 2, who said they never ate anything and couldn't understand why. As if! They never did anything, and ate constantly! They couldn't even see it themselves. Whilst I think it's unfair to penalise people in hospitals for being fat, I do think it's ridiculous it is a 'disability' :

After i had an off on holiday, my knee was full of gravel (until they got the wire brush out!) and bandaged up. Movement was really limited. At 6'2" I'd asked for an extra legroom seat explaining the incident. I was refused unless I paid - yet the airline (NZ Airways) dialogue stated it would provide free larger seats for fat buggers.

[gettin2dizzy]

and for genetics...

one hole is bigger than the other

that's as far as it goes

[Kate Moss]

Mrs.Part timer......They might not whinge, but they look disgusting. So when they suffer from heart disease,back pains,joint aches,cholesterol problems etc etc they simply suffer in silence and don't go off draining the NHS system? Hmmm.

No one has to live the life of a monk in order to not be a fatso. Try like moderation? Far too much salad dodgeing going on these days...mark my words.

They look discusting to you maybe but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Surgery should only be offered if all other ways of weightloss have been exhausted.

[Pedrosa]

If any good to redeem myself a little.....I find ridiculously thin people almost as revolting as our more copulous friends.:(

[Kate Moss]

Mrs.Part timer......They might not whinge, but they look disgusting. So when they suffer from heart disease,back pains,joint aches,cholesterol problems etc etc they simply suffer in silence and don't go off draining the NHS system? Hmmm.

No one has to live the life of a monk in order to not be a fatso. Try like moderation? Far too much salad dodgeing going on these days...mark my words.

whats with the mrs..part timer??? :D

[Pedrosa]

They look discusting to you maybe but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Surgery should only be offered if all other ways of weightloss have been exhausted.

Just a play on your user name.LOL

Beauty? Boy I really do not get that one.


Surgery offered? WTF. Try insisting on them actually using a little self discipline and thought for once in their lives. That costs you or the state nothing.

[Kate Moss]

If any good to redeem myself a little.....I find ridiculously thin people almost as revolting as our more copulous friends.:(


its so hard to get it right though whilst under societies scrutiny, always being compared to the celebs who can afford personal trainers and chefs and lipo suction. You'l never win, you are either too fat too thing, ugly or pretty - who the hell decides what defines each of these???

[Kate Moss]

Just a play on your user name.LOL

Beauty? Boy I really do not get that one.


Surgery offered? WTF. Try insisting on them actually using a little self discipline and thought for once in their lives. That costs you or the state nothing.

but what if they have tried, been diciplined but due to their genes they cannot change who they are, should they be subject to torment and bullying?

[gettin2dizzy]

I'm a trim 32" and my girlfriends a size 8. Perfect :)
Yeah it's tough to get slim, but it's a purely environmental issue. Those same genes were passed down by a slim war-era generation.

[Pedrosa]

its so hard to get it right though whilst under societies scrutiny, always being compared to the celebs who can afford personal trainers and chefs and lipo suction. You'l never win, you are either too fat too thing, ugly or pretty - who the hell decides what defines each of these???

Ah but we are more sensible on the whole than the false world of TV/cinema/pop imagines us to be. there will always be the woman or guy that stands out from the crowd as a tastier piece of eye candy, but they are the exception.

I mean more along the lines of "the body beautiful" here. You see an extra few pounds here and there does not see most people fall in to the Billy Bunter category at all. That amount of surplus can most often be carried very well and the person in question remains physically attractive. If they wanted to take any action it would be more for self being reasons,i.e tone up a little.

I have noted that there are far more beautiful women,(side issue here...I went to Seville on business on Tuesday and have never seen so many gorgeous females of varying ages in the one place EVER!) that do not fit the supposed ideal catwalk model pigeon hole at all. So it is not about fitting what the media and marketing people suggest is the perfect shape or size, it is being a size and shape that is not excessive to either degree.

A gene issue probably falls in to the predetermined medical reasons and so they would not be treated unfairly by the system because of that. I have nowhere suggested that bullying of these people should take place but the system must I am afraid show that becoming obese is not acceptable.

"Proud to be fat" can I am afraid be blown out yer a*se!

[Kate Moss]

Ah but we are more sensible on the whole than the false world of TV/cinema/pop imagines us to be. there will always be the woman or guy that stands out from the crowd as a tastier piece of eye candy, but they are the exception.

I mean more along the lines of "the body beautiful" here. You see an extra few pounds here and there does not see most people fall in to the Billy Bunter category at all. That amount of surplus can most often be carried very well and the person in question remains physically attractive. If they wanted to take any action it would be more for self being reasons,i.e tone up a little.

I have noted that there are far more beautiful women,(side issue here...I went to Seville on business on Tuesday and have never seen so many gorgeous females of varying ages in the one place EVER!) that do not fit the supposed ideal catwalk model pigeon hole at all. So it is not about fitting what the media and marketing people suggest is the perfect shape or size, it is being a size and shape that is not excessive to either degree.

A gene issue probably falls in to the predetermined medical reasons and so they would not be treated unfairly by the system because of that. I have nowhere suggested that bullying of these people should take place but the system must I am afraid show that becoming obese is not acceptable.

"Proud to be fat" can I am afraid be blown out yer a*se!


I moan about my weight and i am under 8 stone!! so i cant imagine what it must be like to live in an obese body, i know that if it was me id work my **** off to loose a few pounds!!
"its a vicious circle, i eat cuz iim unhappy, and im unhappy cuz i eat!" - Fat Ba*t@r* Austin Powers!!!

[northwind]

But don’t think you are not subsidising them already apart from your salary deductions. If you are an average sized person you will pay the same for say a pair of trousers waist size 34 as old tuber does for his of size 52 waist…so you see how your subsidising?

Not really that simple, since a lot of shops don't carry the XXXXXXLs, so they end up having to shop in High and Fatty and paying a fortune.

I think the difference between being fat and obese needs to be remembered. I have to agree, being obese disgusts me. I've lived with 2, who said they never ate anything and couldn't understand why. As if! They never did anything, and ate constantly! They couldn't even see it themselves.

And there you have it- that's obviously not a decision making issue is it, it's a delusion. I had my old boss tell me once that she eats healthily while actually eating a king-size mars bar. Because I'm a wide-mouthed tosser, I couldn't resist pointing this out, and she was actually shocked- she was doing it on automatic. People like this genuinely do need outside help, and like with most other problems like this it's cheaper to treat and cure than it is to deal with long-term costs.

Sometimes it's horrible though... A friend of a friend is seriously overweight, she's not one of the enormous, walking leaning over backways with 2-inch steps types but she's unhealthily large. She's got a 3 year old kid, and guess what, the kid's turning out massive- she's always getting sweets and treats, sweet drinks, etc. And what does mum say? "It's just like I've always said, I'm only the way I am because of my genes- and she'll be the same. Nothing we can do about it". She's actually happy that her daughter's already massively overweight at 3, because it "proves" that it's not her fault that she's fat herself, it must run inthe family. And this kid's probably going to grow up to be a monster, through no fault of her own, by the time she's old enough to make her own decisions she'll have, what, 15 years of overeating and not exercising.

[gettin2dizzy]

She's actually happy that her daughter's already massively overweight at 3, because it "proves" that it's not her fault that she's fat herself, it must run inthe family. And this kid's probably going to grow up to be a monster, through no fault of her own, by the time she's old enough to make her own decisions she'll have, what, 15 years of overeating and not exercising.

That's exactly what I think about all huge families. Like that one on X factor hehe :smt091

Stephen merchant 'did you hear Ricky [Gervais], Britains fattest family have lost 25 stone!'
Ricky Gervais 'what happened? did one of them die?!'

Love those podcasts! =D>

[Pedrosa]

Not really that simple, since a lot of shops don't carry the XXXXXXLs, so they end up having to shop in High and Fatty and paying a fortune.



And there you have it- that's obviously not a decision making issue is it, it's a delusion. I had my old boss tell me once that she eats healthily while actually eating a king-size mars bar. Because I'm a wide-mouthed tosser, I couldn't resist pointing this out, and she was actually shocked- she was doing it on automatic. People like this genuinely do need outside help, and like with most other problems like this it's cheaper to treat and cure than it is to deal with long-term costs.

Sometimes it's horrible though... A friend of a friend is seriously overweight, she's not one of the enormous, walking leaning over backways with 2-inch steps types but she's unhealthily large. She's got a 3 year old kid, and guess what, the kid's turning out massive- she's always getting sweets and treats, sweet drinks, etc. And what does mum say? "It's just like I've always said, I'm only the way I am because of my genes- and she'll be the same. Nothing we can do about it". She's actually happy that her daughter's already massively overweight at 3, because it "proves" that it's not her fault that she's fat herself, it must run inthe family. And this kid's probably going to grow up to be a monster, through no fault of her own, by the time she's old enough to make her own decisions she'll have, what, 15 years of overeating and not exercising.


Northy...Yeah a poor example to use I admit but there is a point hidden in there someplace.;)

So yet again then it might all boil down to education then hey? Or are we saying that in most cases it is a psychological problem. As Mrs. 9 1/2 weeks mentions comfort eating can grow in to a major disorder?

And kids like the one you mention what choices does she have? She can't turn around to her mum and say,"I dont want to eat that as I dont want to become a blubber like you?" Could this be seen as abuse to the child when the level of foodstuffs being offered are obviously way beyond any sensible and healthy level?

[Razor]

The reason that obesity is so high is that the NHS use the BMI so religiously. You can be fairly muscular and classed obese, when you're maybe only a few pounds overweight.

[Kate Moss]

Northy...Yeah a poor example to use I admit but there is a point hidden in there someplace.;)

So yet again then it might all boil down to education then hey? Or are we saying that in most cases it is a psychological problem. As Mrs. 9 1/2 weeks mentions comfort eating can grow in to a major disorder?

And kids like the one you mention what choices does she have? She can't turn around to her mum and say,"I dont want to eat that as I dont want to become a blubber like you?" Could this be seen as abuse to the child when the level of foodstuffs being offered are obviously way beyond any sensible and healthy level?


there have been cases where parents are threatended by Child care authorities that if they dont stop making their kids over weight then the kids will be taken off them. I think it is child abuse - fair enough if you dont care what you look like or what you shovel in ya gob, but allowing your child to do the same is unfair, its not giving them a chance and ultimatly increasing their chances of developing illnesses. If a person treated an elderly person like that, the government would class it as abuse instantly so why should it be different for kids?

[northwind]

That's exactly what it is, child abuse. But taking hte sprog into care's not exactly a peachy option either. Maybe we could harpoon the mum, the dad's about my size, he'd bring her up malnourished and stunted just like his skinny dad did him. Quite a couple.

[Pedrosa]

there have been cases where parents are threatended by Child care authorities that if they dont stop making their kids over weight then the kids will be taken off them. I think it is child abuse - fair enough if you dont care what you look like or what you shovel in ya gob, but allowing your child to do the same is unfair, its not giving them a chance and ultimatly increasing their chances of developing illnesses. If a person treated an elderly person like that, the government would class it as abuse instantly so why should it be different for kids?

I agree entirely with you.

Taking your argument to the next stage then, surely if one is gorging oneself to a degree that you are heading beyond the slightly over weight mark in to the realms of obesity then you are guilty of err hum....self abuse,(u know what I mean dont be mucky!):rolleyes:

[Kate Moss]

I agree entirely with you.

Taking your argument to the next stage then, surely if one is gorging oneself to a degree that you are heading beyond the slightly over weight mark in to the realms of obesity then you are guilty of err hum....self abuse,(u know what I mean dont be mucky!):rolleyes:


people self harm when they get depressed, so eating when you are depressed is a way of coping, but it also makes the situation worse. maybe counselling should be offered.

[gettin2dizzy]

Or spending the few hours a night on the net being productive!
(I'm guilty)

[SV Muppet]

The more obese people there are the more athletic I look, suits me.

[Kate Moss]

The more obese people there are the more athletic I look, suits me.

thats a positive way of looking at it!!!

[Bluepete]

thought I would add this to the cookie mix!

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/conker51/Bike%20cam/thong.jpg

[Kate Moss]

thought I would add this to the cookie mix!

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/conker51/Bike%20cam/thong.jpg


im glad im not the only one whose jeans fall down!!

[neio79]

If you are fat its your own fault, cos you are bone idle and two F-ing lazy to do something about it, and no you dont have a hormone inbalance or heavy bones, you have lazy-itis!! end of story.

How can anyone be so dumb as to not do something when they are growing out of clothes every 6 months.

and yes really fat peoople should pay twice for a plane seat., they are ocupying both seats and are costing as much as two people to carry of the ground!!

[Kate Moss]

If you are fat its your own fault, cos you are bone idle and two F-ing lazy to do something about it, and no you dont have a hormone inbalance or heavy bones, you have lazy-itis!! end of story.

How can anyone be so dumb as to not do something when they are growing out of clothes every 6 months.

and yes really fat peoople should pay twice for a plane seat., they are ocupying both seats and are costing as much as two people to carry of the ground!!

feel better after that little rant!!

[Bluepete]

In the immortal words of Billy Connolly,

"You're not retainig water, you're CHIPS"

LMAO!

[ArtyLady]

If you are fat its your own fault, cos you are bone idle and two F-ing lazy to do something about it, and no you dont have a hormone inbalance or heavy bones, you have lazy-itis!! end of story.

How can anyone be so dumb as to not do something when they are growing out of clothes every 6 months.



How bloody rude! (and so are all the other derogatory comment makers in this thread)

If you are comfort eating and growing out of your clothes every 6 months you will become more fed up and depressed and comfort eat even more (I know - Ive been there and done that). That renders you out of control with an addiction, not dumb/lazy/bone idle as you so sypathetically put it.

If youre addicted to achohol or smoking its hard to give it up - it CAN be done with huge efforts and willpower BECAUSE you CAN avoid achohol and cigarettes...BUT if you are ADDICTED to food - you cant just AVOID EATING FOOD?! Therefore it is a much more difficult addiction to break.

Im have been a "tubber" as someone so offensively put it, NOT because I was lazy/idle/didnt care/ but because I had emotional issues, but instead of turning to the bottle/drugs/smoking...I comfort ate...just as damaging and just as much an addiction/illness/miserable existence.

At my heaviest I was nearly 14 stone. I rode horses and mucked out everyday, went to the gym, aerobics, jogging, was incredibly strong (for a woman - could carry a bale of hay in each hand no problem) but you see...I just couldnt shake this addiction...oh sorry of course that was my own fault wasnt it. :rolleyes:

[ArtyLady]

I'm a trim 32" and my girlfriends a size 8. Perfect :)


Who says?

[Warthog]

I don't think you'd get much sympathy from most of the people in this world who have to work very hard just to survive. None of them are fat.

[ArtyLady]

I don't think you'd get much sympathy from most of the people in this world who have to work very hard just to survive. None of them are fat.

Agreed, but I expect they'd be just as miffed about people poisoning themselves with ciggies and booze.

[gettin2dizzy]

Who says?
moi :) she's gorgeous. HAving been slim all my life, I wouldn't want to be with a tubby tub tub

[neio79]

How bloody rude! (and so are all the other derogatory comment makers in this thread)

If you are comfort eating and growing out of your clothes every 6 months you will become more fed up and depressed and comfort eat even more (I know - Ive been there and done that). That renders you out of control with an addiction, not dumb/lazy/bone idle as you so sypathetically put it.

If youre addicted to achohol or smoking its hard to give it up - it CAN be done with huge efforts and willpower BECAUSE you CAN avoid achohol and cigarettes...BUT if you are ADDICTED to food - you cant just AVOID EATING FOOD?! Therefore it is a much more difficult addiction to break.

Im have been a "tubber" as someone so offensively put it, NOT because I was lazy/idle/didnt care/ but because I had emotional issues, but instead of turning to the bottle/drugs/smoking...I comfort ate...just as damaging and just as much an addiction/illness/miserable existence.

At my heaviest I was nearly 14 stone. I rode horses and mucked out everyday, went to the gym, aerobics, jogging, was incredibly strong (for a woman - could carry a bale of hay in each hand no problem) but you see...I just couldnt shake this addiction...oh sorry of course that was my own fault wasnt it. :rolleyes:
Sorry but I completely disagree with you, IMO the whole comfort eating thing is an other convenient excuse really fat people use. Yes not arguing that you can be really low in life but I just don’t subscribe to the whole food is an addiction! It’s a basic body need. Yes some people, very very few have an imbalance where the brain does not get/send the signals to tell them they are full, but I doubt you have that. So your comfort eating is of your own doing, you could if you wanted to stop, but by the sounds of it used your problems in life as an excuse to hide behind. Also if you were eating for comfort then surely the common sense thing to do and break the cycle is to try and stop eating as much. You make it sound like being a comfort eater or as you put it a food addict is the same as being a smack head. Its not. The body can’t become addicted to food, in the same way as alcohol or heroin. They are drugs that change the body’s chemical balance and cause it to become dependant on them for different reasons to food.

All of us at one time or another have felt so low its beyond belief, me included I have been ‘depressed ‘ if you like but I did not eat to try and solve it, nor did I become a junky or an alcoholic, but maybe I have a stronger disposition or it could be I am the sort of person who did not wallow in self pity and went and done something about it or just got on with it.

Sorry but it seems you have used the whole I am depressed, oh woe is me and comfort eating thing as an excuse for have been or being fat. To me its simple you are either going to do something about it or you are to lazy not to. It sounds as though you have the motivation to go to the gym, but not the self restraint nor will power to cut back on what you eat. Its no good burning off 3K calories a day if you are shovelling in 5K is it??

[gettin2dizzy]

It sounds as if you just had weight you wanted to lose rather than being fat- and that you kept active. That's what everyone on here is trying to encourage :)
Remember a lot of obese people couldn't even get on to a bike.

[Razor]

moi :) she's gorgeous. HAving been slim all my life, I wouldn't want to be with a tubby tub tub

Aren't you only in your 20's?
My brother was a racing snake until he got married, at 31, then he got seriously tubby.

[gettin2dizzy]

22, my dads 50 and the same shape though. He just runs and eats well.
Maybe it's marriage that does it.

[ArtyLady]

Sorry but I completely disagree with you, IMO the whole comfort eating thing is an other convenient excuse really fat people use. Yes not arguing that you can be really low in life but I just don’t subscribe to the whole food is an addiction! It’s a basic body need. Yes some people, very very few have an imbalance where the brain does not get/send the signals to tell them they are full, but I doubt you have that. So your comfort eating is of your own doing, you could if you wanted to stop, but by the sounds of it used your problems in life as an excuse to hide behind. Also if you were eating for comfort then surely the common sense thing to do and break the cycle is to try and stop eating as much. You make it sound like being a comfort eater or as you put it a food addict is the same as being a smack head. Its not. The body can’t become addicted to food, in the same way as alcohol or heroin. They are drugs that change the body’s chemical balance and cause it to become dependant on them for different reasons to food.

All of us at one time or another have felt so low its beyond belief, me included I have been ‘depressed ‘ if you like but I did not eat to try and solve it, nor did I become a junky or an alcoholic, but maybe I have a stronger disposition or it could be I am the sort of person who did not wallow in self pity and went and done something about it or just got on with it.

Sorry but it seems you have used the whole I am depressed, oh woe is me and comfort eating thing as an excuse for have been or being fat. To me its simple you are either going to do something about it or you are to lazy not to. It sounds as though you have the motivation to go to the gym, but not the self restraint nor will power to cut back on what you eat. Its no good burning off 3K calories a day if you are shovelling in 5K is it??

They used to think the world was flat.....

[gettin2dizzy]

They used to think the world was flat.....
Going on the basis that it appears flat. Quite rightly imo. Catch a glance at John Goodman however and. ....woop!:plod: fat alert! Hide any visible flesh & children!:plod:

[neio79]

They used to think the world was flat.....
Sorry and your point being???

[skint]

Blessed art thou who live the perfect lifestyle... good ol' wholesome bunch that they are.


Oh thank you, you're so kind. :razz:

[Kate Moss]

so in conclusion...

[hovis]

so in conclusion...

eat less

exercise more

i thank you

[gettin2dizzy]

eat less

exercise more

i thank you
the hovis 2-step plan.

It's the only one that works.
Maybe sell it as a pdf on ebay?

[hovis]

the hovis 2-step plan.

It's the only one that works.
?

it worked for me:geek:

[Stu]

And as usual we learn that Neio's views are pretty neolithic. What rubbish to suggest that you can't be addicted to food. You can be addicted to anything.

[neio79]

And as usual we learn that Neio's views are pretty neolithic. What rubbish to suggest that you can't be addicted to food. You can be addicted to anything.

No they are not.

I just feel that some really fat people( and I mean really Obese not just a bit of a gut or middle age spread) use excuses like , I am unhappy, sad depressed as some sort of justification for claiming they cant stop eating or claiming they fall into the same category as a smack head. Personally I find it quite sad and pathetic that they can’t take responsibility for themselves and have to find a reason as to why they have no self restraint and eat like its going out of fashion!! Always someone else’s fault isn’t it?? Or a reason for it? Never your own doing, no that would be to easy!!!!

I just cant get my head around the whole eat, get fat, be unhappy, so think eating more and getting fatter is the solution. What part of a normal person can’t see that the solution to that is to stop wallowing in self pity blaming everything/one else, get some gym kit on and stop shovelling food down their gob??

Maybe its because of my lifestyle?? Just can’t get my head around it.

Hovis’s solution says it all really.

[Kate Moss]

sex is great exercise so if everyone sleeps with a "tubber" then we would be doing our bit to help!!!

[hovis]

sex is great exercise so if everyone sleeps with a "tubber" then we would be doing our bit to help!!!

is that phils excuse











run away:help:

[Kate Moss]

is that phils excuse











run away:help:


yeah, its true, im the heaviest ive ever been! its a sympathy shag!!!

[ArtyLady]

Just can’t get my head around it.



Says it all......

[yorkie_chris]

sex is great exercise so if everyone sleeps with a "tubber" then we would be doing our bit to help!!!

A friend of mine at training has recently become a chubby chaser, nobody dares spar with him now, such is the amount of weight he must manoever around every time he wants his end away.


Saw a documentary a while ago, britains fattest man, about how he eats 3 full english brekfasts, a big dinner and an indian banquet for 5, and 10 pints of lager with that.
Simple solution, this waste of space can't work, so stop paying the sponge benefits, when he's starved for a year or 2 then he will be thin enough to work. Or dead. #shrug#
The various government agencies complain at problems they produce themselves by their total do-gooding stupidity.

[Kate Moss]

A friend of mine at training has recently become a chubby chaser, nobody dares spar with him now, such is the amount of weight he must manoever around every time he wants his end away.

Saw a documentary a while ago, britains fattest man, about how he eats 3 full english brekfasts, a big dinner and an indian banquet for 5, and 10 pints of lager with that.
Simple solution, this waste of space can't work, so stop paying the sponge benefits, when he's starved for a year or 2 then he will be thin enough to work. Or dead. #shrug#

how can anyone eat that much???

[yorkie_chris]

He's a fat f##ker

[Kate Moss]

He's a fat f##ker


but still, how can you hold that much food in one body???? the mind boggles!!

[fizzwheel]

I just cant get my head around the whole eat, get fat, be unhappy, so think eating more and getting fatter is the solution. What part of a normal person can’t see that the solution to that is to stop wallowing in self pity blaming everything/one else, get some gym kit on and stop shovelling food down their gob??


Because when some people eat it makes them feel happy, the same way that you might feel happy from going to the gym, or riding your motorbike.

Some people comfort eat, because its just that comfort eating, for a few minutes it makes them feel better. So whilst not technically addicted to food then perhaps they are addicted to the way that eating makes them feel.

Its difficult to explain, but saying to somebody in this situation "Get off your fat a*se and go to the gym and exercise" doesnt work and is likely to drive them down further into their eating cycle. What they need is proper help or just somebody to talk through to fix the things that are making them unhappy, which is in turn causing them to eat to make themselves feel happy as thats the only way they know of making themselves feel happy.

Its not an easy thing to fix, and its not easy if your unfit or miserable to push yourself back out into the wide world and start doing someting about it. I personally find gyms etc etc some of the most intimidating environments to be in. I can understand why going to a gym isnt a nice experience for somebody who is overweight and unfit and also miserable to not want to go there. I'm all for being honest and sometimes tough love is necessary, but if the person who you are trying to help is so far down in the circle of feeling bad about themselves etc etc its really difficult to pull somebody out of that situation Starving them or saying well eat less just doesnt work and it can make things worse.

Our whole society is messed up about body image, where catwalk stick thin models are promoted as being attractive and beautiful, people who have problems with food and over eat are just another by product of this. Albiet the reverse of the situation.

Its to easy to walk into a Mcd's or a BK and get what you want and get instant gratification, cooking healthily is cheaper than fast food but it requires more effort to prepare and cook it, which is where the problem starts.

I've been depressed, I know what feel bad about yourself feels like, utlimately doing something about your problem takes a huge effort, exercise and eating healthily does ultimately make you feel better about yourself but it takes a huge leap to actually build the confidence up to get started, If you've not been in that situation its difficult to understand where other people are coming from.

When I've been low, theres that circle that you get into where you think you know whats best, and you dont listen to or take advice from your friends and you push everybody away, you turn inwards, that could be to drink, drugs or food or whatever else. Because you dont understand it, you shouldnt dismiss it.

Some people's peception of themselves is messed up where the think that being fat ( sorry I cant think of a better word ) looks good.

I think the whole thing about beign obsese has got way over hyped by the media, and hundreds of news articles telling people who already have a problem with over eating that "YOUR FAT" isnt going to do any good. It'll just make it worse.

[Ping]

Fizz - Spot on. :thumbsup:

[ArtyLady]

Yes - eloquently put Fizz, hopefully people will not dimiss your comments out of hand as mine were :)

[Pedrosa]

A very indepth explanation there Fizz, appreciated by someone here who does not in truth have a great sympathy with those with excessive weight. I did though stress that if there were medical reasons and I suggest psychological reasons count equally that help should be offered.

I am though not at this point prepared to agree that EVERY obese person uses over eating as some kind of crutch. There surely are thousands of them who bluntly speaking are just bone idle gorgers of food.

I take on board that there is a fair amount of media hype on this subject presently. But you know there have been many problems in the world that existed for centuries without attention being drawn to them. Many of those problems have been eradicated or quite rightly,at least a greater awareness has been created,(purely for example...pollution,global warming,asbestos,human rights issues etc etc.)
Therefore we can't pick and choose to have pro active media coverage purely on subjects that we personally are not sensitive to, or that do not affect us directly .


So then there is a problem, we accept that with varying degrees of empathy to the "sufferers". The real key is what mechanism should be in place to prevent/cure them? From your comments it is clear that many a sufferer cannot be trusted to reach out for the help required even if it is avialable?

What can be done then?

[yorkie_chris]

Some people's peception of themselves is messed up where the think that being fat ( sorry I cant think of a better word ) looks good.

I think the whole thing about beign obsese has got way over hyped by the media, and hundreds of news articles telling people who already have a problem with over eating that "YOUR FAT" isnt going to do any good. It'll just make it worse.

Does this explain the chubby slags who insist on going round wearing clothes that would fit somebody 5 stone lighter?
If so then a good round of "you fat b######" or a swift slap would be good for them. And funny.

[neio79]

Arty Lady, thanks for that, I don’t happen to agree with your opinion does not make me stupid.

I understand why gym’s are intimidating.

Obviously I don’t got to a big one given my job, and all the ones I go to are not intimidating and people are more than happy to help give advice etc. and everyone knows that we all had to start somewhere. More so most of us would rather see some one give it their best effort rather than not try at all.

The civi gyms I have been to are different, they are full of a lot of pre-madonna’s who love themselves and are thee just to look good and not for the benefits of being fit, and who look down on others who lift, less etc. They are to**ers , ignore them. Most of them concentrate on quantity rather than quality as well.

The point you make about turning to drink, drugs or even food, still to me shows a lack of personal pride and self discipline. You won’t be surprised to hear I have no sympathy for alcoholics or drug addicts. Nor do I for any addict such as gamblers. Nor will I have much sympathy for huge people who wont help themselves when it comes to their health.

[neio79]

I agree that there is a lot of hype given to Obeseity as well, in my comments I am referring to people that are literally the sizr of a house, huge great messes, not people wit h bit of a gut or a couple of stone overweight, or middle age spread.

[fizzwheel]

The civi gyms I have been to are different, they are full of a lot of pre-madonna’s who love themselves and are thee just to look good and not for the benefits of being fit, and who look down on others who lift, less etc. They are to**ers , ignore them. Most of them concentrate on quantity rather than quality as well.

Agreed ignore them, but thats difficult to do if your shy, you dont have a lot of confidence and your overweight or in my case underweight and stick thin and had been bullied all the way up through school till i was 15 or 16. You'd never get me in a gym. Never ever. Nope not doing it, no never, don't even ask. Everytime somebody used to say to me, go to the gym build up your weight and you wont get picked on, I used to recoile in terror, it used to make me physically feel sick with worry, to be honest being punched in the face was better than going to the gym.

You can't say to somebody like I used to be "Go to the gym and then bully them into doing it" it just doesnt work. I was underweight, but I'd imagine somebody over weight would have the same reaction that I did.


The point you make about turning to drink, drugs or even food, still to me shows a lack of personal pride and self discipline. You won’t be surprised to hear I have no sympathy for alcoholics or drug addicts. Nor do I for any addict such as gamblers. Nor will I have much sympathy for huge people who wont help themselves when it comes to their health.

Agreed, lack of personal pride and self discipline, poor body image all that stuff is why people get like they do, again your response of "Go to a gym, exercise and eat better" doesnt work, because they wont go, I know I used to be like that myself.

These people need the underlying problems fixing, they need psychological help otherwise they'll keep doing what they do. I had poor body image and no confidence, because I used to get bullied daily till I was 15, not your average bullying, really nasty stuff. I'd been programmed by my parents not to retaliate and not to use my fists if I got punched so I just used to take it as I thought that was the right thing to do. I used to deal with by retreating into myself I was painfully painfully shy, If I could avoid speaking to people I usually did, girls were just a big no no, to shy, and they used to take the mick out of me anyway. I didnt fit in, I didnt look right I was tall, skinny and awkward, I used to hide in the computer room at lunchtime. The only time I felt OK about myself was when I used to take to the local lanes on my pedal bike and pedal for hours and hours. I used to loose myself in it, so that was my addiction if you like. I was probably the un-coolest teenager your ever likely to meet. The stuff i went through as a kid still messes me up somestimes now ( I'm 34 )

You cant bully, push people like I used to be into doing stuff, it just doesnt work, they need talking to and support and confidence building exercises doing with them, small steps, not big leaps. I could have easily go into eating, I like chocolate and sweets etc etc and I'd eat them all day, what saved me was the cycling and the fact that my parents decided that we'd eat healhily, weetabix or cereal for breakfast, I used to eat school dinners, sausage and chips etc, and then meet and two veg meals for tea when I got home, as kids we didnt snack of chocolate all day everyday, it was a treat saved for weekends or when we'd been good etc etc. Same goes with fizzy drinks coke etc, never had it when I was a kid.

I think the thing is in order to aviod it you have to help people who need help and educate those people who dont know anybetter, so that means teaching kids about food and how to cook healthily stuff, what vegetables are etc etc in school. Oh we cant do that can we, because they have to learn rubbish stuff to meet government league tables, so we cant teach them any life skills or anything actually useful oh no.

Jamie Oliver has the right idea, he's just a smug git, who gets up peoples noses and nobody listens to when they really ought to. Plus the fact that I think the people in our country have had a bellyfull of Tony and his Chronies telling us what we an and cant do. Nobody likes being told they are bad parents, or that they dont know how to bring up their kids, hence why the current school meals thing doesnt work.

I mean if those parents handing fish and chips through the school fence had been handing cigarettes through the fence instead there would have been uproar wouldnt there.

Bringing me back to where I am now. I'm overweight, what do I do, I cycle to work, and I'm trying to eat better, but I'm not on a diet, I just eat what I like but less of it. All these faddy diets are aload of old cobblers IMHO, but you have no idea what it took to get me out on my bicycle again. It was an effort I'd find excuses and I had a real "I'll do that tomorrow" attitude. It took my neice dieing and me deciding I'd do a charity cycle ride to raise money for the Neo Natal unit that looked after her to finally get me off my butt, which is the thing that everybody needs, the need a goal and alot of people dont set or get set one, which is why they dont change their lives.

[ArtyLady]

I don’t happen to agree with your opinion does not make me stupid.


The point you make about turning to drink, drugs or even food, still to me shows a lack of personal pride and self discipline. You won’t be surprised to hear I have no sympathy for alcoholics or drug addicts. Nor do I for any addict such as gamblers. Nor will I have much sympathy for huge people who wont help themselves when it comes to their health.

I never said that you were stupid and I wasnt implying it...I was implying that you dont want to accept that your views might just possibly be a little unfair and tunnel visioned...

[ArtyLady]

I agree that there is a lot of hype given to Obeseity as well, in my comments I am referring to people that are literally the sizr of a house, huge great messes, not people wit h bit of a gut or a couple of stone overweight, or middle age spread.

The underlying problems/cause/unhappiness are no different whether you are 10 stone or 1 stone overweight it feels the same (Im the latter). From my own personal experiences and those of family members, the bigger you get (once youve spiralled out of control and past the point of no return into huge great messes - as you put it so sympathetically) the more unhappy and out of control one gets, its a vicious circle.

[hovis]

the bigger you get the more unhappy and out of control one gets, its a vicious circle.

then do somthing about it, im not having a go at anyone, but 80% of people that are very overweight, are to lazy to do anything about it.

you see them moaning about their size & how they cant get clothes to fit them etc, while eating a cream cake.

i relise that this is not the case with everybody, but IMO they need a bit of a kick up the @rse, so to speak.

the whole "im just not happy"as they are shoveling a KFC into them, thing does not wash with me

again this does not applay to all overweight people, & i just my opinion

[neio79]

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I think the thing is in order to aviod it you have to help people who need help and educate those people who dont know anybetter, so that means teaching kids about food and how to cook healthily stuff, what vegetables are etc etc in school. Oh we cant do that can we, because they have to learn rubbish stuff to meet government league tables, so we cant teach them any life skills or anything actually useful oh no.


All these faddy diets are aload of old cobblers IMHO, .

agreed, yes!

do they still teach 'home ecconomics' in school? or any form of nutrition?

and i have never dieted, i try and eat healthly though and exersise.

but some of these diets make me laugh and the dumb people who follow them.

The atkins for example, oh lets deprive the body of one of the essential food groups ( carbs) so you become weak and lethargic , while its ok to stuff your body with Fat !! WTF how did anyone think that was a good idea??

oh and you stink like a dog apparantly cos you are mostly eating meat!! great!

there is no real secret to keeping your weight down

eat what you want but in moderation, eat healthy, and exersise reguarly.

i might sell this amazing new diet on the internet, with just that line in it!!

[northwind]

The atkins for example, oh lets deprive the body of one of the essential food groups ( carbs) so you become weak and lethargic , while its ok to stuff your body with Fat !! WTF how did anyone think that was a good idea??


My old boss, she of the mars bar from up the page, went on Atkins. Bit of a dubious choice for an insulin dependant diabetic, so, she went hypoglycaemic constantly and could eat mars bars to treat it. She wasn't doing this in a calculating way, it was total self-delusion. Oh, the atkins diet would have been the solution if she hadn't been cursed with diabetes! Etc. Variations on a theme.

[Warthog]

My old boss, she of the mars bar from up the page, went on Atkins. Bit of a dubious choice for an insulin dependant diabetic, so, she went hypoglycaemic constantly and could eat mars bars to treat it. She wasn't doing this in a calculating way, it was total self-delusion. Oh, the atkins diet would have been the solution if she hadn't been cursed with diabetes! Etc. Variations on a theme.

She needs a slap with a piece of wet celery.