Hot Grips

[metalmonkey]

I'm gonna put some on my bike. They are the ones that are grips and replace the ones on the bike.......

My question is are the orginal ones on the bike glued on, becasue I don't want to cut them off, more prize them so that I have the orginal grips should I need put them e.g if the hot grips fail. Cheers.

[dyzio]

this (http://www.sv650.org/docs/FittingHotGrips.pdf)should help...
You should be able to get your grips off, just take it easy... I didn't ;)

[northwind]

If you have access to compressed air, you can just float the grips off, takes about 2 seconds. You can do this with an aerosol of compressed air but it doesn't work so well.

[Ter]

Wedge a flatblade screwdriver down along the length of the grip carefully, spray some WD40 down it and wiggle the screwdriver around - taking care not to damage the grip,

Take the screwdriver out and the grip should wiggle off much easier!!

Just make sure to wash the clip on before putting the heated grip on otherwise you'll be left with a greasy pole!

Degreaser or petrol work well here,

8)

[metalmonkey]

Thnaks for advice guys......

Well it turned from a simple job into something that ****ed me off. The grips came off okay, no problem, got the power cable sorted as well.

Right I couldn't get the tank off, no matter what I tried. First bolt came off a bit of struggle, the second just wouldn't move no matter what. I went to halfords and got some allen key heads to go on the end of wrench, they wouldn't moove it either.

So I called the bike shop and explained what had happened, long/short version. Taking the bike to the shop tomorrow, so they can take the tank bolts and replace them both, becasue I can't get them off. Bugger. It took the best part of 2-3 hours dam it.

Well the grips are on, but the throttle grip isn't returing properly either it doesn't snap back. So they can fix that as well.

Well the grips powered up and worked I'll sort the cable runs out when I get the tank tomorrow I hope. What a waste of a day tomorrow, will be got other stuff besides this.

[harvy]

Well the grips are on, but the throttle grip isn't returing properly either it doesn't snap back. So they can fix that as well.


I belive you may have the weights on too tight.. i had this, loosened the screw, pulled out the weight a little and tightened back up... sorted in less then a minute...

[metalmonkey]

I'll give it ago, but I think it wasn't snapping back without any grips, and to be honest that concered me a bit. May just let the bike shop sort it, since i'm going there any way. Did you glue your grips on?

All i did to the thottle side was remove the old, cut the lip off at the front and put the new on, thats it. Hopefully its me being dumb.

[yorkie_chris]

Have you shifted the cables while messing with it?

Also I'd definately take the extra time to put it on a switched live so when the ignitions off the grips can't draw power, know plenty people who've been caught out by this.

[metalmonkey]

Have you shifted the cables while messing with it?

Also I'd definately take the extra time to put it on a switched live so when the ignitions off the grips can't draw power, know plenty people who've been caught out by this.

By that I take you mean the throttle cables? Not that I'm aware off just take one off and put another on.

These hot grips switch them selves off, when the engine is off. It would invole me soldering the grips into the ignition circuit, not sure if I want to be doing that.

I tried turing them off with the bike not running they wouldn't turn on.

[yorkie_chris]

Hmm where are they connected to? (just out of curiosity)

[harvy]

I didnt glue mine on... ( yea i know i should) it seems such hard work to get them on, that i cant see them going anywhere any time soon... got a set on my CBR- neither grip has moved a centemeter since i put them on, again without glue...


Yorkie- have you got a set+ wired to ignition?
I did mine yesterday and its such a pain to get the wire soldered into the block :s could not find a way to get the copper strip out so had to kinda to a push the wire in push the soldering iron in and hope for the best! Eventually held and wire is in firmly now, but rite pain in the a** to do. I did mine with an extra connector between the fusebox for the bike and the fuse for the hotgrips so i can completly take out the wire for HG without cutting/desoldering the wire from the box.

[Sid Squid]

I belive you may have the weights on too tight.. i had this, loosened the screw, pulled out the weight a little and tightened back up... sorted in less then a minute...
I'm going to take a guess that you have a naked, right? If so, then as the bar end weights are attached differently this won't be the problem.

[harvy]

Nope... fully fair'd Sport - exactly like the one in bluethunder's avatar

[yorkie_chris]

Yorkie- have you got a set+ wired to ignition?
I did mine yesterday and its such a pain to get the wire soldered into the block :s could not find a way to get the copper strip out so had to kinda to a push the wire in push the soldering iron in and hope for the best! Eventually held and wire is in firmly now, but rite pain in the a** to do. I did mine with an extra connector between the fusebox for the bike and the fuse for the hotgrips so i can completly take out the wire for HG without cutting/desoldering the wire from the box.

I don't have any on mine, just considering some.

If I was doing it I'd take the orange wire that comes out of the ignition switch just after it goes into the green (iirc) connector in the loom, and add an inline fuse to that. (and just hope the ignition switch can cope with the draw)

[harvy]

I was thinkin about cutting it just before the orange wire hit the fusebox, but i decided against it... i like to be able to put things back to stock if i need to!

BTW has anyone else had problems with the 5A fuse that comes with the hotgrips? i got two sets, both fuses came apart ( ie the glass cover in one hand and the metal fuse in the other). A real PITA as i cant test the grips until i find a new fuse!

[metalmonkey]

Any ideas as to why throttle isn't snaping back? I really have no idea why it isn't.

[harvy]

Any ideas as to why throttle isn't snaping back? I really have no idea why it isn't.

Like I said- try loosening the weight a little to give it a little more room to move. I trimmed the rubber on the outside of the grip to allow the weight to go further in to get a proper hold (though this will prob invalidate the warrantee)

[hovis]

or............... it might be on too far, try pulling it off a few mm

[yorkie_chris]

Why not get a standard car style blade fuse and push it into spade connectors.
It's a pretty cheap and easy way to make up such things.

[ridelikeaturtle]

Wire in one of these distribution blocks w/a relay, powered off the tail lights (I assume everyone rides w/the lights on...) :

www.canyonchasers.net/shop/generic/relay.php

Connect your hotgrips into that, and they're powered when your taillights are on. (You can get everything you need at maplin.) Easy-peasy :).

[yorkie_chris]

An elegant solution to it that doesn't stress any other bits of electrics, my ways cheaper though :p

[metalmonkey]

I'm still fitting, it must be a record. Well I have the left grip on, its the throttle grip that a pain. So I cut the front lip off no problem the grip slides good fit.

But with the SV there is another which at the top of the handle bar where the control blocks are. So I cut that off sanded it down with wet and dry. I spent a load tiem wear it down but the grip still won't budge over the top to make snug fit like the clutch side one does.

So has any ones else done this and how much do you have to cut away? Any more sugestions guys?

I know that you wire right into the brake light on though the postibve wire, the only issue I have with that is spliting the cable to attach the postive feed into there, don't want to get it wrong. The other as Chris said is the feed in the fuse box, which seems reasonable to me.

[harvy]

But with the SV there is another which at the top of the handle bar where the control blocks are. So I cut that off sanded it down with wet and dry. I spent a load tiem wear it down but the grip still won't budge over the top to make snug fit like the clutch side one does.


I got a file and filed it down- much quicker then sanding it...
I also trimmed the hotgrips down a little where the weights go, abuot 3 or 4 mm of rubber before the large ring around the grip. (ill get a photo of this if you dont get what i mean...)

As for wiring, if you look in your fuse box, there is a thick Orange wire going to what is the middle of three "holes". I connected my hotgrips to one of the two empty ones. These are connected though the ignition- only on when the bike is on. On the other hand if you are wiring to the lights you want the SIDE LIGHTS not the brake lights! Not sure how this would work with the rear lights as they are just a row of LED's which prob draw less then the hotgrips would...

[yorkie_chris]

Why wire to the side lights unless you're using a relay?

The sidelight switch designed for a few amps is not IMO beefy enough to run hot things.

Orange wire is a far better option

[harvy]

Well sidelights better then brake lights no? ie side lights come on when the bike does... brake lights only come on when you brake?

[yorkie_chris]

You could wire to the hot going into the brakelight switch

[metalmonkey]

Yup so tomorrow I will be filing it down then or something like that! LoL I am bit dumb when it comes this kind of thing.

Yeah i will be wiring them up to the main fuse box at some point, when I can get home as I don't have soldering iron and my dad does, he is also alot better at soldering than I am!

Well the guys at infinity said wire it through the front brake light feed and it would fine from there, but I didn't to go messin around with that so I will stick to the igintion circuit as its a nice easy place to wire the grips in. They also cut of the connector and solder, the cables togther than wrap in electrical tape to stop water and crap getting it as it does destroy then eventually.

I have trimmed the ends of with a knife of the grips as well, so now the entire grips is flush. Well just need to sort out the filing then it will be done.

Cheers for the help may even take a picture of my handy work when it done!

[yorkie_chris]

I'm not a fan of electrical tape, it comes off when wet.

Did all my loom with either adhesive backed heatshrink or self amalgamating tape, the tape was expensive but worth it IMO as numerous soakings and all of the tape is still where it should be.
Unlike the one bit of the loom that I didn't replace, and suzukis tape had come off, shorted the main live to the rear coil -ve and had me pushing it home :mad:

[metalmonkey]

hey Chris where did you get that tape from? I'll into it, thanks

[yorkie_chris]

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/

Excellent service, the heatshrink tubing will work out much cheaper for you though and a local sparks or motor factors will probably have it.

Get the adhesive backed heatshrink if you do it that way, its ace, the tube shrinks and the glue seals it permanently, that stuff over a soldered joint looks sound to me.
The one thing that might put you off is you will have to cut the wire and solder it then, but its easy, honest.

[northwind]

VWP are a useful link to have ;) I plumbed my heated grips in via a relay on the tail light (though I did initially put it on the brake light through Stupidity. For the curvy, that's perfect- it means you can kill the draw along with the lights with one button, for starting, and I'm never going to want the grips on but the lights off.

And I'm the same, I don't use normal electrical tape, it goes manky over time- it lasts a couple of years if you use good stuff, but I'm now working through and binning all the Suzuki stuff as it's started going horrible. Heat shrink is ideal where it works, and I use cloth loom tape elsewhere- self amalgamating tape's a bit bulky in my opinion. I don't really know how well the rayon tape's going to last in exposed applications though, it's great in engine bays.

[metalmonkey]

I have pretty given up on trying to fit them myself.

I am not have with the way the throttle is working after taking the old grips off, i'm having a hard time getting the throttle grip to fit. Bacically it just doesn't snap back properly not sure if this a problem but don't want to glue and find it is.

This was supposed to be an easy well isn't and wish I had to done it properly now rather than messin about.

Does anyone why the throttle isn't snapping properly? Its happening with just throttle selve the bar end weights and grips aren't on when this happening?
If anyone has any suggestions on how I solve this problem, then that would be great. Well in the mean time I will be drving to work which complete ****, I'll be stuck in Friday night traffic which is crap here, sigh.

[yorkie_chris]

Pull the cables off, get the switchgear apart and see what is actually sticking.

Check the cables are free and snappy, I'd guess you've distorted the grip getting the old rubbers off and thats stopping it, but taking it off and giving it a squirt of oil should get it spinning free again.
While you're in there get some spray grease down the throttle cables, something I've always done with control cables and seems to work well.

[metalmonkey]

Thanks, but I wouldn't even know where to start with that how to take it apart put it back togther, or what I'm looking for. So I'll leave to the shop, if that only way of doing it right.

[yorkie_chris]

If you've managed to do the wiring for the yourself then the twistgrip mechanism is childs play, but if you don't feel confident with it then I'm sure a garage will sort them for you no problem

[metalmonkey]

The wiring is easy I understand that no problem, but i just don't want ruin my bike, trying to get the grip in place espically as its the throttle if there is something wrong I wouldn't know where to start, if it were to go wrong:eek:

I don't mind pulling my car apart its old so it doesn't matter so much it just goes and the radio works and some of the other stuff does. I will have to pull apart to find whats gone wrong, at some point.

[metalmonkey]

Well got the grips done by infinity today, look like a good job and said drop back if there are any problems. They have been very good to me so far, so will carry on using them......they only charged my half and hours labour, though I had removed the old grips, cleared the old glue off and and ran the power cable from the battery.

As these are the digital ones (the new hot with the square control box) they must be attached directly to the battery as they can dectet when the engine is on and charging the battery. they called oxford and check this directly with them.

Well warm hands this winter yeah! Once again, thanks for suggestions and help.

[northwind]

Did they tell you what the problem was with the throttle? Might help someone else in future, that...

[metalmonkey]

He said he though it was the new grips bedding in as they need to wear in. He said it wasn't a problem as it wasn't holding the throttle open. It may be me being very cautious and not knowing what I'm doing. But at least if something does go wrong they will look at it for me. So i'm happy with that right now.

It ones things I don't mind paying mind paying for, it cost £50 ish total to buy the grips and get them fitted, so not bad, as they normally cost that just to buy!

[5v5 rider]

Got my Oxford 2007's from J&S and have got her booked in on tueday with George White in slough on tueday....warm hands from then on in!! Can't wait.....

[dyzio]

The hot grip could have been squeezed by the right bar end, and all it needed was trimming a bit of the rubber off.
At least that's what my problem was, just sorted it out :D