View Full Version : Not all over for Hamilton yet..
MR UKI (1)
21-10-07, 09:27 PM
according to BBC website FIA are investigating fuel samples given by Williams and BMW (could this season get anymore farcical? (sp).
21QUEST
21-10-07, 09:29 PM
according to BBC website FIA are testing fuel samples given by Williams and BMW (could this season get anymore farcical? (sp).
Haha doubt it
Ben
Mike2165
21-10-07, 09:37 PM
He only had to finish 5th:smt089
MR UKI (1)
21-10-07, 09:47 PM
Williams and BMW were the cars in 4th, 5th and 6th
injury_ian
21-10-07, 10:16 PM
Hydraulic problems... I suggest foul play!
Im not usually one for conspiracy theorys, but, Hamilton had too many green eyes looking at him!
Hydraulic problems... I suggest foul play!
Im not usually one for conspiracy theorys, but, Hamilton had too many green eyes looking at him!
did you note what berny said before the race, what cheek. I also read an article last week by Hill on how nearly all the paddock are against him etc etc etc.. They cant be having a 1/4million per yr racer beating people that are paid millions.
injury_ian
21-10-07, 10:38 PM
did you note what berny said before the race, what cheek. I also read an article last week by Hill on how nearly all the paddock are against him etc etc etc.. They cant be having a 1/4million per yr racer beating people that are paid millions.
No i missed it, I did hear storys of sabotage in the weeks prior.
What did he say?
me and tsm sat watching the race today, you gotto feel for the lad-so near yet so far!!!
and tsm-you sure you dont wanna admit to something as i clearly remembering you saying that it wasnt all over until the cars etc had been weighed etc ! something you want to tell us??? lol
mister c
22-10-07, 04:45 AM
Hydraulic problems... I suggest foul play!
Im not usually one for conspiracy theorys, but, Hamilton had too many green eyes looking at him!
My sentiments exactly. Even Mark Blundell said that it was as if someone had turned a switch off in Lewis' car. This could be done from the pits because of all of the electronics. It just seems a bit strange that the car ran fine afterwards. Get rid of the unneeded electronics & let the drivers drive the cars like the good old days.
husky03
22-10-07, 05:58 AM
Nope- he lost fair and square-it was his mistake in china when he dnf that cost him the title,well done to kimi and get it up you alonso.Lewis will come back next season a more mentally mature driver-in the long run this first season will stand him in good sted-now he knows how close he came to achieving his ultimate goal and to lose it by one point will hopefully be the drive to push him onto another level-he will win it, but his time for the moment is not now.
I think Martin Brundle said at the end of the race that as Lewis had been lapped, and therefore didn't technically finish the race, even if all the cars infront of him crashed he still wouldn't get anymore points. I'm not quite sure how that works though?
gettin2dizzy
22-10-07, 07:42 AM
It's all over now anyway. All a bit fishy...
Pedro68
22-10-07, 07:48 AM
It's all over now anyway. All a bit fishy...
My sentiments exactly. Formula NONE has been fishy for decades.
Stick all the drivers in identical cars - no electronics, no driver-assistance aids, and THEN we'll see who the better driver is.
Until then it'll always be a farce.
IMHO ;-)
gettin2dizzy
22-10-07, 07:51 AM
My sentiments exactly. Formula NONE has been fishy for decades.
Stick all the drivers in identical cars - no electronics, no driver-assistance aids, and THEN we'll see who the better driver is.
Until then it'll always be a farce.
IMHO ;-)
Thats dicrimination. You should be able to enter with any medical condition.
DanDare
22-10-07, 07:57 AM
Congratulations to FIA..............Sorry Ferrari, always get those two mixed up.;)
Bernie.........small man complex, all the money in the world, all the fit birds, he's still not happy. Poetic justice!
Why did he need to make that extra fuel stop?
What was wrong with his gears in the first place?
If it was Alonso there would be cries of conspiracy!!!!!
kwak zzr
22-10-07, 08:09 AM
F1 just didn't want the new guy to win, does he not bring in enuf sponsor money yet?
stevehaskew
22-10-07, 08:13 AM
I hope this protest from McLaren fails... I really want Lewis to win, but winning on a technicality like that would be a hollow victory, I think. There's always next year!
fizzwheel
22-10-07, 08:22 AM
I hope this protest from McLaren fails... I really want Lewis to win, but winning on a technicality like that would be a hollow victory, I think. There's always next year!
me to, he got beat fair and square IMHO, he messed up, take it on the chin, I hope that FIA chuck the appeal out, I wouldnt want to win a championship like that.
Nope- he lost fair and square-it was his mistake in china when he dnf that cost him the title,well done to kimi and get it up you alonso.Lewis will come back next season a more mentally mature driver-in the long run this first season will stand him in good sted-now he knows how close he came to achieving his ultimate goal and to lose it by one point will hopefully be the drive to push him onto another level-he will win it, but his time for the moment is not now.
err, it was his team that messed up, they kept him out on track with tires completley shreaded and no grip what so ever, they even admitted to it.
No i missed it, I did hear storys of sabotage in the weeks prior.
What did he say?
somthing along the lines of hees got many more years to go to win etc etc, let the older guys win etc etc..
My sentiments exactly. Formula NONE has been fishy for decades.
Stick all the drivers in identical cars - no electronics, no driver-assistance aids, and THEN we'll see who the better driver is.
Until then it'll always be a farce.
IMHO ;-)
R6 championship
F1 just didn't want the new guy to win, does he not bring in enuf sponsor money yet?
he only earns 1/4million compared to the other drivers
I hope this protest from McLaren fails... I really want Lewis to win, but winning on a technicality like that would be a hollow victory, I think. There's always next year!
If it was any other team im sure they would have done the same thing and complain. Its an iregulatiry and the stewards should be consistant which, this season they have not been. The rules are clearly stated and if you dont adhear to them then you should get a penalty, if they dont do that then all that happens is the teams constantly break them incuring small advantages here and there.
fizzwheel
22-10-07, 08:50 AM
If it was any other team im sure they would have done the same thing and complain. Its an iregulatiry and the stewards should be consistant which, this season they have not been. The rules are clearly stated and if you dont adhear to them then you should get a penalty, if they dont do that then all that happens is the teams constantly break them incuring small advantages here and there.
I agree any other team would have complained, but this is whats wrong with F1 at the moment, to much politic's
Stewards have been consistent they've let off teams before in the past for fuel irregularities. Schumacher and Coultard in 1995 both got their race results taken away and then had them re-instated.
Thing is if Lewis hadnt messed up that first corner, by being stupid and not wanting Alonso to pass him, he wouldnt have dropped as many places and might have got backup to fifth when his car slipped out of gear.
As for the tyre debacle, he should have over ruled his team and told them he was coming in for tyres. Martin Brundle said at the start of that race, tyre decision is down the driver.
He's made a couple of rookie mistakes, that hopefully he wont do again.
It does annoy me though that he gets more press for losing a world championship than JT did for winning WSB this year.
me to, he got beat fair and square IMHO, he messed up, take it on the chin, I hope that FIA chuck the appeal out, I wouldnt want to win a championship like that.
from what i read it wasnt him the fooked up it was his team.
shoulda brought him in earlier when he spun off with shot tyres, and bringing him in for 3 stops yesterday ultimately cos him the title.
fizzwheel
22-10-07, 08:52 AM
from what i read it wasnt him the fooked up it was his team.
shoulda brought him in earlier when he spun off with shot tyres, and bringing him in for 3 stops yesterday ultimately cos him the title.
The team messed up with the tyres, but he messed up Yesterday by shoving his car up the inside of Alosono and locking his brakes and running wide which put him back down to 8th... if he'd been a bit more sensible and slotted in behind Alonso in 4th he might have dropped back to 14th instead of 18th when he had his gearbox gremlins and that might have been enough to get him the championship.
I dont get the 3 stops thing either though, that ultimately knobbled him as well. They've made a few silly strategy mistakes this year.
I agree any other team would have complained, but this is whats wrong with F1 at the moment, to much politic's
Stewards have been consistent they've let off teams before in the past for fuel irregularities. Schumacher and Coultard in 1995 both got their race results taken away and then had them re-instated.
Thing is if Lewis hadnt messed up that first corner, by being stupid and not wanting Alonso to pass him, he wouldnt have dropped as many places and might have got backup to fifth when his car slipped out of gear.
As for the tyre debacle, he should have over ruled his team and told them he was coming in for tyres. Martin Brundle said at the start of that race, tyre decision is down the driver.
He's made a couple of rookie mistakes, that hopefully he wont do again.
It does annoy me though that he gets more press for losing a world championship than JT did for winning WSB this year.
unfortunatly we dont know what the team was doing with the tyre issue, could be they did not even have them out till the lap he was comming in, things we will never know.
Rookie mistakes, he is not completley methodical like shumi but next year he will be formiddable as long as his team dont mess up. Still an excelent result considering his first year, but also being backed by a good team helps unlike people going to the tail teams and never being heard from.
kwak zzr
22-10-07, 09:36 AM
someone, some part of the FIA just didn't want him to win, on the news it said the gearbox hydraulic fault could have been remotely operated from the pits and why after this fault was he banging in fast lap times. its not just this race tho is it? theres been allegations about him for a while now like the tyres in the last one? F1 teams don't make silly errors like that, all sounds suss to me, TBH tho we've seen it in all sports.
husky03
22-10-07, 09:38 AM
[quote=TSM;1319722]err, it was his team that messed up, they kept him out on track with tires completley shreaded and no grip what so ever, they even admitted to it.
yes but who was driving the car-the driver is the one who ultimately has control over what he does/doesn't do-so if he felt he needed to have pitted he should.
fizzwheel
22-10-07, 09:46 AM
someone, some part of the FIA just didn't want him to win, on the news it said the gearbox hydraulic fault could have been remotely operated from the pits and why after this fault was he banging in fast lap times. its not just this race tho is it? theres been allegations about him for a while now like the tyres in the last one? F1 teams don't make silly errors like that, all sounds suss to me, TBH tho we've seen it in all sports.
He had a problem with his car, it showed up during qualifying that he might have a gearbox problem, the team took the car apart in parc ferme and found nothing wrong with it. So they already knew there might be a problem...
It slipped out of gear into neutral and then he couldnt get a gear again, if you watch the coverage you can seem him flicking the paddles to try and get a gear.
Then he did something and it got gears again, if you notice how slow he was through the pits, they obviously thought that something was wrong and were worried about the pit lane speed limiter not working.
Remember pit lane to car communication is banned. So how is anybody going to fiddle with the settings in the car, also did you hear Martin Brundle say that banging the car down the straight after the Senna S where its bumpy on the line that Hamilton was taking could have also upset the car.
He was banging in fast lap times because he wanted to win, he was fired up by being at the back of the grid and whatever problems he had in the car he was driving round them. Or the car had sorted itself out.
F1 cars are right on the limt of technology and engineering, sometimes they break, teams make mistakes, they are run by human beings.
Mike2165
22-10-07, 09:48 AM
If he only needed one point to win, why did McClaren let Alsono finish 3rd, thus losing me £10
kwak zzr
22-10-07, 09:52 AM
I'm sorry to all the F1 fans on the forum but something is a miss here, over the past 3,4,5 years the racing has got worse and there is so many suspicious circumstances it makes it hard to watch.
I am amazed that Ferrari managed to engineer Raikonnen overtaking Massa without anyone batting an eyelid, despite team orders being banned.
+1. If Mclaren had tried the same thing they would have been penalised!
Very suspicious.
Strange that most of the year Hamilton / McLaren have been doing really well and then since the Ferrari spy scandel everything has gone tits north.
Makes you wonder whether McLaren were told to throw the drivers championship as well or accept a meatier fine.
Why pit him 3 times when u know he lost incredible amounts of time due to the electronics failure ??
Why not change his tyres during the previous race at least let him score some points.
Pedrosa
22-10-07, 11:58 AM
Ignore all of this baloney, where's Ron? No press statements or photo calls? Is he working on how on earth he can explain the reasons McLaren snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?:p
fizzwheel
22-10-07, 12:25 PM
I am amazed that Ferrari managed to engineer Raikonnen overtaking Massa without anyone batting an eyelid, despite team orders being banned.
because they did it subtley, Massa was very slow away from his 2nd pit stop and Kimi wasnt that far behind anyway, so he trundled down the pit lane slowly and job done.
I'm not a huge Ferrari fan, but this weekend the did a better job than Mclaren did.
Its the english diesease again isnt, look for excuses as to why the english guy didnt win and blame everybody else. Lewis just wasnt good enough this weekend and Ferrari did a better job with car setup and strategy.
All this talk of conspiracy theory and throwing the championship is utter bull. Its not Princess Diana we're talking about here.
Pedrosa
22-10-07, 12:32 PM
Completely irrelevant post.....
I have an Aussie pal called Bruce he lives here in Spain,(no that is his name!:p) he rides a Ninja 636. He has a great job, he calls at the Shell HQ to deliver the fuel for all of the european based races. How cool is that?
Filipe M.
22-10-07, 12:58 PM
He has a great job, he calls at the Shell HQ to deliver the fuel for all of the european based races. How cool is that?
10ºC cooler than ambient temperature, at most.
*gets coat*
gettin2dizzy
22-10-07, 01:22 PM
All this talk of conspiracy theory and throwing the championship is utter bull. Its not Princess Diana we're talking about here.
Unless Lewis had been drinking?;)
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