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Speedy Claire 09-01-12 10:09 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by missyorkie_chris (Post 2645833)
Or maybe Claire felt it might help to raise a bit of awareness concerning potentially inappropriate kit?

Spot on Maria..... I thought that as this was a motorbike forum it was important to raise our concerns over an item of motorbike kit that might not be as protective as they believe.. I was also keen to get peoples opinions as had everyone said nope you`re barking up the wrong alley then Dave and I wouldn`t bother with bringing it to the attention of RST.

And spot on again lol....... yep i`m still a perv :smt043

Speedy Claire 09-01-12 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzyblonde (Post 2645848)
I'm afraid you're asking a bit much from this lot at this time of night.....this is all we could find ya :p



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2117/...942c88f7bd.jpg

OMG Lou!!!!!!!!!! you`ve just put me right off my coffee and Baileys :smt107

lmao tho :smt043

Speedy Claire 09-01-12 10:16 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by Bibio (Post 2645845)
armour is not there to stop bones being broken, its there to dissipate the energy that my otherwise have caused more damage.

i have punched a wall and broke my wrist but the energy was initially in my knuckles so you would asume that i should have broke my knuckles but the energy travelled up and broke my wrist. even if i had been wearing a pair of armoured gloves i would have still broke my wrist.

i see what you are saying about the area of armour and the area of break but it may just be a coincidence, you may also say that if it was the armour then how bad would have it been if it were not there.

get well soon Dave.

Yep it could all just be coincidental and I do see what you mean about the energy however I find it odd because Daves hands didn`t come into contact at any point with the floor or the other vehicle and he`s also ruled out that the levers had nothing to do with it :confused: I honestly feel that if the gloves had contained less armour the damage wouldn`t have been as extensive.

Many thanks for the good wishes.... will pass them on x

Lozzo 09-01-12 11:41 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by Speedy Claire (Post 2645854)
Yep it could all just be coincidental and I do see what you mean about the energy however I find it odd because Daves hands didn`t come into contact at any point with the floor or the other vehicle and he`s also ruled out that the levers had nothing to do with it :confused: I honestly feel that if the gloves had contained less armour the damage wouldn`t have been as extensive.
In a situation where the hands are bent backwards on themselves, there's a good chance that without a solid piece of armour the damage would be spread over a wider area and not concentrated at the one point where the armour ends. In short, Dave's hands could well have been even worse damaged if they weren't in effect supported by the armour.


It's a bit like having a splint strapped to a leg and then trying to bend the leg against the knee very hard from the foot. It won't break anywhere up the splint, but chances are it'll break at the thigh but more likely at the ankle. All depends on how you see the damage as affecting life from crash onwards and what heals faster.


Who's to know though, because all we have is an end result not a detailed analysis of what happened during the crash.

Speedy Claire 10-01-12 05:51 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by Lozzo (Post 2645893)
In a situation where the hands are bent backwards on themselves, there's a good chance that without a solid piece of armour the damage would be spread over a wider area and not concentrated at the one point where the armour ends. In short, Dave's hands could well have been even worse damaged if they weren't in effect supported by the armour.

TBH Lozzo I don`t think the damage could have been a hell of a lot worse without the armour.... 7 broken bones to the each hand, both wrists broken and in the words of the orthopaedic surgeon right wrist smashed to bits. Right wrist requiring pinning and the worry of possible amputation had they not been able to repair the damage...

Anyway todays events have changed our view radically....... he has been to see the orthopaedics today and took the gloves with him. They have said that without a shadow of a doubt the gloves are 100% responsible for the injuries. When you line up the armour in the gloves against the broken bones to the hands and wrists they line up perfectly.

This in my view confirms my initial concerns and the gloves in this particular case caused a lot of damage.... We were waiting for this confirmation before contacting RST but lets now see what they have to say.

yorkie_chris 10-01-12 05:56 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by Lozzo (Post 2645893)
In a situation where the hands are bent backwards on themselves, there's a good chance that without a solid piece of armour the damage would be spread over a wider area and not concentrated at the one point where the armour ends. In short, Dave's hands could well have been even worse damaged if they weren't in effect supported by the armour.


It's a bit like having a splint strapped to a leg and then trying to bend the leg against the knee very hard from the foot. It won't break anywhere up the splint, but chances are it'll break at the thigh but more likely at the ankle. All depends on how you see the damage as affecting life from crash onwards and what heals faster.


Who's to know though, because all we have is an end result not a detailed analysis of what happened during the crash.
It's different to the splint scenario as the angles involved make for a direct and concentrated force on the edge of the armour.

I do not believe the armour here helped in any way, it did not spread force but actually concentrated it. If he had been wearing some normal gloves he'd have broken one or two bones.

I'd be interested to see any analysis of what part of bone structure normally fails in a "hands bent back" type impact.

Speedy Claire 26-04-12 10:18 AM
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Just a quick update re. the gloves. Dave did get in touch with RST regarding the concerns and he did get a reply taking the concerns quite seriously.

This particular glove has now been updated in that the carbon fibre has been removed from all but the knuckle area. We`ve looked at the revamped version and I think it does look a lot safer. I doubt very much that RST have redesigned it based purely on Daves complaint but whatever their reason for doing it I just hope that it will prevent similar injuries to other riders.

Geodude 26-04-12 10:26 AM
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Cheers for the update and they might have done it based on your fella's complaint you never know who gets the info or how they use it do you? Hows he getting on now?

Speedy Claire 26-04-12 10:39 AM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by Geodude (Post 2700772)
Cheers for the update and they might have done it based on your fella's complaint you never know who gets the info or how they use it do you? Hows he getting on now?
He`s still having physiotherapy twice a week and it looks like the metal plate is going to have to be removed from his wrist as it`s hindering the downward movement. He can`t do very long distances as yet but he`s back on the bike and happy :D

missyburd 26-04-12 12:18 PM
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Something is better than nowt, a positive result at least :)


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