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Re: Deep Deep thought / question

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Originally Posted by Baph (Post 1184484)

Believe me, it's been done to the death with the school, with the board of governors, and even elements in the LEA!!! Problems are compounded by the fact that the headteacher changes every couple of weeks because no-one wants to run the school.

Small community where the population generally have the same sized brain unfortunately.

However, slight derail & update for those who know about the situation. Him & his sister are moving to a new school a couple of miles down the road come next september. We managed to twist that school's headteacher's arm a little & push the envelope on class sizes, under the understanding that once statemented properly, the school can claim extra resources because of my son.

Not knowing the circumstances I can only give you benefit of my experiences, hope all works out well though,
stew

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Originally Posted by Baph (Post 1184452)

That's the point of divine intervention though.

Another example for you.

My child has a mental health issue, meaning that he can't socialise with other kids his own age well at all, and generally he gets bullied a lot.

Now, for his own mental well-being, we have the opportunity of teaching him at home, thus removing him from the harm that he could potentially encounter at school.

Should we send him to school (and the "pack of wolves") or should we purposefully exclude him from school (thereby saving him from the pack)?

What would you do in that situation? I know for definite that there are a couple of kids that bully him everyday. The school knows (but does nothing). Teaching him self-defence isn't an option because the same mental health issue prevents the fine motor control required (he can barely kick a ball let a lone throw a punch). That, and I'm firmly against teaching kids to be violent when they don't fully understand the implications of their actions.

What do you mean by 'the point of'? I'm trying to point out the logical inconsistency between, on the one hand, giving god credit for good things, but, on the other, not putting the blame on god for bad things. It's called 'cherry-picking the data'.

What does your child's situation at school have to do with divine intervention? Or logical inconsistencies?

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Yes, I really believe in God.

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Originally Posted by Viper (Post 1184481)

You have misunderstood.

I was being specific to accidents involving cars, bikes etc in response to a question.

It is said in the bible to trust and praise when things are good or bad so rather than blame god, give thanks that you knew that person and that they had touched your life etc.

You've failed to clarify. What has being specific got to do with it? Mogs' situation was no less specific and is taken as proof of god. Logically any specific motorcycle accident is just as valid proof that god doesn't exist, through the same argument.

Quotes from some old book prove nothing.

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Originally Posted by robaker (Post 1184622)

I will try and clarify what i mean if i can put it into words:confused:

I agree, that mogs' situation to an on looker is neither a thunder bolt of clarity or some sign or wonder but, i think if i may (and correct me if i am wrong Mogs) try and explain that i think mogs felt something inside himself, its a sence of calm and an inner knowlage (that you have not known before)
that tells you that everything will be fine. this is something i felt as did all my family when my dad was having a massive heart attack and the doctors etc said he probably wont make it. He did make it.

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Originally Posted by Mogs (Post 1183891)

I came to believe at the birth of my eldest. There was a very real danger that I would lose not only the child but my wife as well. I prayed and for the first time really meant it. I was in a room on my own, and suddenly I knew that everything would be ok. Did I hear “voices”, or see anything, No. Have I had that experience since, No.
Can I now see the evidence of Gods work, Yes. All around me.
Someone posted on here that I should look at the Fallen Friends section as evidence that there is no God. One of the fallen was a personal friend, I met him only a few times, but his joy of life and his humour enriched my life. I see Gods work there too.

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Originally Posted by robaker (Post 1184622)

Logically any specific motorcycle accident is just as valid proof that god doesn't exist, through the same argument.
Quotes from some old book prove nothing.

I struggle to see how a motorcycle accident is as you say, logical proof that god does not exist. I see it as neither proof for or against.
What i was trying to say that an accident is just that an accident. We as humans take risks everyday and alltough they are calculated risks ie driving, flying, playing sport, whatever it may be it is a risk and as such can carry consiquence. We can neither lay the blame at gods door for the accident or his lack of prevention of the accident because we have freedom of choice, and if we choose to jump out of a plane we will hit the ground, why should god stop it, it was our choice to jump and we new the risk, OUR fault not gods.

I hope this will clear up my point but knowing me it will probably just confuse you even more:rolleyes:

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They covered that kind of thing about "Why does god let bad stuff happen ?" on the Alpha course I did, the plain answer I got was "Because we dont follow God's law, i.e the 10 Commandments"

I asked about accidents and why people die, and then you get the "God moves in mysterious ways" answer that for me really isnt an answer.

I think the thing is well for me, is that when its your time, its your time and you should make the most of the time that you've been given, because you dont know what tomorrow might bring.

The other thing is part of living for me is taking risks, wouldnt life be boring if you knew that no matter what you did, the higher power ( god if you like ) wouldnt let you come to any harm. Its only by taking risks in the first place that you learn and grow.

I had lots of other questions that I just couldnt reconcile the answers I was getting to something that in my head made sense, hence why I decided it wasnt for me. But again the people I worked with and on the course, respected my opinion and I respected theirs.

Lilfe, religion etc etc should be based on tolerance and respect, sadly alot of people dont seem to realise that, and from what I've seen some people dont always practice what they preach.

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Originally Posted by fizzwheel (Post 1184720)

Lilfe, religion etc etc should be based on tolerance and respect, sadly alot of people dont seem to realise that, and from what I've seen some people dont always practice what they preach.

I agree with that Fizz. I am i fine one for that, In my head i know what should or should not be done, said or whatever but then i go and do something different. Its easy to say, but so hard to do, I would like to get to a point in my life when i could say i will always think, and then act and do the right thing but i know my own weekness and i think at times i will always fail. But that wont stop me from trying.

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But do you feel you need to, be a Christian and go to Church in order to try and be a better person and so and do the right thing ?

This for me is the crux of it. I dont feel that need. Maybe once I did, but something in me changed and I didnt feel the need for that, for what of a better term "backup"

I've got my family and friends and I get all the support I need from them, but I know that if you find the right church its like an extended family.

I think the main issue I have with it all and I have an immense amount of respect for is the "blind faith" that I sometimes see, the concrete belilef in that there is a god and that god will see you right.

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Originally Posted by fizzwheel (Post 1184733)

My dad has this "blind faith". At times i think he is nuts but, time and time again his faith has been rewarded. Its difficult for me being around people such as my dad that have this and then not to beleive that there is a God.

And here in answers your question, due to the above i DO feel the need to be called a christian and to go to church. And even if I am wrong, I have such a huge circle of friends (people i can trust and go to with anything at anytime and they are there to listen and help if they can) as a result of going to the church that that in itself is enough to keep me going.

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Then I think you've found the answers to your original post then :cool:

If you believe, embrace it, whats the worst that can happen ? If its one thing I realised its that you should never be afraid of nailing your colours to the mast. If people treat you differently because of what you believe then thats their problem not yours.

If people mock, its because they don't and can't understand.