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yorkie_chris 05-01-12 09:32 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by Stenno (Post 2644075)
Essentially my wrist would have to brake first.
Not beyond the realms of possibility when hitting the back of a car.

Speedy Claire 05-01-12 09:36 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by Stenno (Post 2644075)
Just checked my RST (Tractech not Razor's) and they're quite similar...
http://www.smcbikes.co.uk/926830-248...ch-leather.jpg

I can't feel any plate except for the edge of the carbon fibre knuckle and even then I can't actually bend my hand back far enough for it to make contact with my wrist. Essentially my wrist would have to brake first.
The plate in Daves gloves does stand out and you can feel the plate so i`m sure the design of your gloves will be far safer :smt041

Stenno 05-01-12 09:41 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 2644079)
Not beyond the realms of possibility when hitting the back of a car.
Agreed, just can't see it being the cause [EDIT based on my gloves]. Maybe part of the aftermath but then the fact that the wrists could have been broken a split second before, it negates the design of the glove.

Stenno 05-01-12 09:41 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by Speedy Claire (Post 2644081)
The plate in Daves gloves does stand out and you can feel the plate so i`m sure the design of your gloves will be far safer :smt041
Glad to hear it. I like my wrists the way they are ;) Hope he mends up asap.

Fallout 05-01-12 09:45 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
Thanks for this thread. Here's a noob offering a sincere hope he mends soon. :) Even if RST don't care, this will make me think twice about any armour I buy. I think we just assume this stuff is all properly designed, but it can be flawed. I'll definitely consider how the plates may move about in a crash before I choose in the future. Cheers.

Speedy Claire 05-01-12 09:53 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by Fallout (Post 2644088)
Thanks for this thread. Here's a noob offering a sincere hope he mends soon. :) Even if RST don't care, this will make me think twice about any armour I buy. I think we just assume this stuff is all properly designed, but it can be flawed. I'll definitely consider how the plates may move about in a crash before I choose in the future. Cheers.
Thanks for the good wishes and as far as I`m concerned this thread has been extremely worthwhile if it`s raised awareness for even one person :smt041

yorkie_chris 05-01-12 10:00 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stenno (Post 2644084)
Agreed, just can't see it being the cause [EDIT based on my gloves]. Maybe part of the aftermath but then the fact that the wrists could have been broken a split second before, it negates the design of the glove.
Can't agree with you there I'm afraid. One break is better than two and a break caused by one impact is not going to be helped by another.

Having had multiple breaks in the carpal bones in my left wrist, honestly those X rays make me cringe considerably, that is just how I see it.


Personally I don't see big knuckle armour being of that great a value on the road*, it is meant to stop you busting a knuckle if you are flailing, which isn't too serious. It is not going to be of anything more than superficial help in a big impact like a SMIDSY.
Most of what I look at gloves is the palms, that is the bit you will extend to the ground and must resist impact and then abrasion.

*If you are hitting car mirrors that is what handguards are for

-Ralph- 05-01-12 10:13 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
For sure I'd let RST know, but if at a later date you think you may decide you wanted to go for compo, then it may be advisable to say nothing to them until you've taken advice from a bike accident solicitor.

The argument RST may use is that they are sold as a Race glove. Like YC said they are designed for a 100mph slide, not a slow speed over the handlebar. Don't think that would prevent a compo claim as if this were RST's sole intention they should be selling them labelled 'not for road use'

http://www.rst-moto.com/index.php/pr...ce_glove_1569/

yorkie_chris 05-01-12 10:19 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
Pretty sure they will have some label in saying they are not PPE. But still, not tested protective vs actually harmful is a different story...

Speedy Claire 05-01-12 10:23 PM
Re: Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves
 
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Originally Posted by -Ralph- (Post 2644109)
For sure I'd let RST know, but if at a later date you think you may decide you wanted to go for compo, then it may be advisable to say nothing to them until you've taken advice from a bike accident solicitor.

The argument RST may use is that they are sold as a Race glove. Like YC said they are designed for a 100mph slide, not a slow speed over the handlebar. Don't think that would prevent a compo claim as if this were RST's sole intention they should be selling them labelled 'not for road use'

http://www.rst-moto.com/index.php/pr...ce_glove_1569/
Thanks Ralph... a few good points there and i`ve just mentioned it to him.


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