Re: electronic tags for bike number plates?
 

...with what I'm thinking, I guess I'm off to Guantanamo Bay right sharpish.....:smt093

This government seems to have forgotten rule #1, if you want the people's support , don't keep sh1tting on them.
Anti-government terrorist faction? Count me in......:smt070

Re: electronic tags for bike number plates?
 

The bottom line here is that as this technology becomes available reliable and affordable (which is pretty much the case now)it will be used because there is no effective legislation to protect us against it.If and when we get legislation to protect us and regulate intrusive surveillance technology we will have some rights to defend,but as yet we have none.I can't see a huge queue of powerful groups lining up to champion these rights though.

Re: electronic tags for bike number plates?
 

I heard about this the other day, agree with baph. being an electronics student my first thought was,,, right,,, to the lab!

Re: electronic tags for bike number plates?
 

Precisely - I fear it'll do nothing to stop criminals, just impinge upon the liberties of everyone else. Not suggesting you & Baph are criminals btw :p just pointing out that those who want to avoid it will be able to, and they're generally going to be precisely the people which the legislation would be supposed to target.

EDIT: And as for the idea of tamper proof number plates. My mum put tamper proof guards on the plug sockets when we were little. Didn't stop my little brother getting a free trip to accident and emergency. If a four year old can beat "tamper proof" I'm pretty sure car ringers can :)

EDIT 2: btw, I was six at the time, I just watched him do it :D I wasn't about to take the risk of the unexplored, that's what little brothers are for :) Please don't tell my mum :)

Re: electronic tags for bike number plates?
 

You can't beat an RFID system. It's a passive system.

If the law is amended so that vehicles MUST have RFID installed, there's only a couple of things you can do:

1. Don't have RFID, and take your chances when you get stopped, or pass a speed camera, or toll gate, heck, maybe even when you stop for fuel! I'd put money on a very hefty fine for not having RFID.
2. Have a small plate, and a custom made RFID tag. Your call if this is your real details or not. If you use your real details, you risk easier cloning. If you don't, see #1.
3. Have the legal system & shut up.

Personally, I'd go for #2 with my real details encoded onto a smaller plate. That way, whenever I get stopped for having a small plate... "But it's got RFID officer, so it must be a road plate & not a show plate." :D

There are other ways of implimenting the plans, but most are more expensive than RFID (RFID is how AlphaDot/DataDot works). Also, most of the other methods are moer succeptable to flaws.

Smegmunky, since you have an electronics lab to play with, get a GPS receiver, and stick a metal backing plate on the back of the PCB. Leave around 0.5mm air gap between the metal & the PCB. Apply 3.6v to the metal. Does GPS still work? :D

Re: electronic tags for bike number plates?
 

I was amused at the latest views expressed by some high ranking bod (Police?) about the need to overhaul the whole number plate thing. At least he realises that laws are for the law abiding and what we have now is simply a case of playing catch-up with the crims.

When is it going to dawn on the numpties who supposedly "run" this country that laws have no effect on people who couldn't give a monkey's about laws. They seem to be surprised when their half-baked ideas don't work because the crims find a way round it. Like when did honest folk having to jump through all sort of hoops to get new number plates made ever stop crims getting number plates, or they simply take them off cars in a car park? Make it illegal, that'll stop it. Doh.

The person speaking about the issue said it was a result of the heavy reliance on cameras, ANPR etc, and the phasing out of traffic cops. Well duh (again). Was it something like 40,000 cases of cloned vehicles? Can't remember, lots anyway.

(in anti-government mode at the mo' ..................:smt014 )

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well officer, it just hppened that i took the plate off to clean it and it just happened to fall into the microwave!

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"That's very well sir, but you do realise it's now an offence to be on a public road with an illegal numberplate? Since yours doesn't have an RFID tag, it's therefore illegal."

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If they do force you to get new plates who is going to pay for them on existing vehicles? I for one would refuse to pay from my own pocket to have one!! And the government can not force you to buy them as it is implementing it. I for one would not get it done unless it was free. And quite happy to go to the European court to fight my case of why should I pay for it etc etc.

I would just get a show plate and run the risk of getting pulled, chances are it would be the same as riding now with a illegal plate, i.e a £30 fine , and haven’t they recently given the cops the common sense to just tell you off? Either that or it a rectification notice, in which case put the real one back on, there you go orificer, 5 min later oops it fallen off and my show plate has gone back on!! And the chances of getting pulled are slim, how many traffic cops are there nowadays? If the plates are to be tied to GPS speed cameras etc then they will reduce traffic cops even further and therefore the risk of being pulled reduces again!

I f**king hate this government and the state of this once great nation, I think I might start a party of my own and try and take over, much like a small Austrian did back in the 1920s from a beer hall in Bavaria!!

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[quote=neio79;1203348]
I would just get a show plate and run the risk of getting pulled, chances are it would be the same as riding now with a illegal plate, i.e a £30 fine , and haven’t they recently given the cops the common sense to just tell you off? Either that or it a rectification notice, in which case put the real one back on, there you go orificer, 5 min later oops it fallen off and my show plate has gone back on!! And the chances of getting pulled are slim, how many traffic cops are there nowadays? If the plates are to be tied to GPS speed cameras etc then they will reduce traffic cops even further and therefore the risk of being pulled reduces again! [/quote]

Again, the govt might not do it this way, but I certainly would, so bare with me. :D

Your argument stands up well, until you think about the implimentation a little closer.

Lets say you pass a speed camera going over the speed limit, and it takes a photo of your plate. OCR technology in the camera reads your plate, and checks tax etc. As part of this check, is a sanity check to say "Did I get an RFID from that plate as it passed?" No?!?! Red flag that, and you can have a speeding ticket AND a fine for not having a legal plate.

Same applies anywhere RFID is tied into current plans, possibly even fuel stations (although I doubt UKPIA would be happy about this). Pull up for fuel, do you have an RFID tag? No? Well as far as I'm concerned, you're not here, and I'm not starting the pump! No fuel, no riding on the roads.