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Forgot to say, hope the guy is okay too.

I've done the cutting in thing a million times as 9 out of 10 times we are quicker away than cars. Hope it gets sorted in bikes favour if he did the manouvre safely.

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As I said before if your in front of something your fault.....

As the bike not indicating yer youshould its in the highway code, but also the car shouldn't assume its okay turn, you know whats said about assumption.

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ok, re-read the thread and it seems biker in the middle of two lanes caned it and then pulled right, not a safe thing to do, but it could have been worse, like if you were in the left hand lane and cut across to the right hand lane, which is exactly what it sounds like lexus man did...

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the guy ran into the back of him :confused: that rule seems fairly flawed.

I reckon hes set off and not seen my mates indicator, expecting him to carry on straight forward.

I'd put some blame on my mate for being a little aggressive, but definately the car drivers fault IMO

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Sorry to say it, but it sounds to me like the bike is at fault here. From what you've posted it sounds like he came past the left of the Lexus, then when the lights changed pulled in front and stopped to check if he could make a right turn. From the Lexus drivers POV he's probably got a clearer view of oncoming traffic and could see that it was clear to turn right. Nothing ahead of him so off he goes when the bike to the left pulls in front and stops dead for no reason (that the Lexus driver can see).

I'm not saying that I haven't done exactly the same manoeuvre a thousand times and got away with it, but in the eyes of the law I reckon it's his fault.

Best he can probably hope for is 50/50, but he might not even get that.

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No need to stop to check, the right turn is controlled by another set of lights IIRC, hes just slowed down to make it more easily after giving it some beans to make enough space to do so.
Can't remember how much space there is past the lights up to the right, but if theres plenty then all hes done is filtered past, buggered off, then joined the lane and gone to turn normally.
The distance between the lights and the turn will be what decides this here IMO

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If the bike was between lanes and sitting at the front and so was the car, even if the bike was indicating the car could very easily have not known due to the front indicator facing front and the rear facing rear. If the driver checked the bike out he would have seen the space in between i.e. the bike from a perfect side on view. I wouldn't expect a bike to do that to be honest and wouldn't stand for the old bill saying it was my fault if I was the car driver. Seems he took a risk and payed for it. Hopefully it'll be a fifty fifty. If I filter to the front of a queue I like to get half in front of the front car and make sure they've seen me. No drag strip heroics from the driver then and at worst you get bibbed. I didn't know you were meant to sit behind the front car. I wouldn't bother filtering then. Sod having to start off between two cars.

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I tend to filter quite aggresively, in that situation I'll tend to pull right in front of the car driver even if it means crossing the stop line (not too many red light cameras round here) Just so they know exactly where I am and can see indicator.

I thought the thing about not overtaking the lead car was only about pedestrian crossings?

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[quote=yorkie_chris;1336587]I tend to filter quite aggresively, in that situation I'll tend to pull right in front of the car driver even if it means crossing the stop line (not too many red light cameras round here) Just so they know exactly where I am and can see indicator.
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That's what I mean Yorkie. Aggressive to defend youself.

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I would disagree. Your mate caned it then made a maneouvre that the cager was not expecting, trying to be clever and get away in front.

Why didn't he stop behind the Lexus, and move into the normal right hand lane traffic flow behind him? Then he wouldn't have surprised anybody when he indicated and turned right.

Perhaps the cager was ****ed off as he wasn't able to filter to the front and tried to race him off the lights, then when the rider slowed to turn right the Lexus was catching up and carying more speed than expected and couldn't avoid him. It makes the cager a t.w.a.t but you have to anticipate these things might happen (especially with Lexus, BMW or hot hatch drivers!). There are t.w.a.t.s on the road but the best way to avoid conflict with them is don't be one yourself.

Whenever you do something that is contrary to the normal speed and flow of the traffic, in my eyes it's your fault if you get knocked off.