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dont back down lol, what you say is correct... the feminists of old foaught for equality.. etc.. and pretty much got it now. todays feminists have very little to actually fight for...

this is the way i see it...

Feminist: WE WANT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY!!!

Male world: Umm.. okay then

Feminist: WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME JOBS AS MEN!!

Male World: Umm.. okay here do some manual labour..

Feminist: NO..YOUR NOT LISTENING..WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO..... IF WE WANTED....

Male World: Right so what your saying is that you want to do the same jobs as men but only if you want to..

Feminist: Yup..

Male World: Right.. anything else..

Feminist: (TALKS FOR SEVERAL YEARS ABOUT EQUALITY)

Male World: ZzZzZzZzZzZzZz . . . .

;) lol, :laughat:

are feminists.. feminists because they arnt attractive? or is Feminisim like a permenant time of the month? ive never understood it.

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Yawn...

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Erm feminists of "old" not that "old" as said previously its still recent history!

And there isnt as much to fight for, but equally wouldnt say that everything is straightened out either ;)

... and another example would be Elisabete Jacinto .. She is a racer and has been competing Dakar since 1998 either on bikes or trucks.. no shortage of sposors for her either.

LMAO

To be honest with you it´s mainly this sort of attitude that means the females doing the jobs put their heads down, and don´t say anything about the "glass ceilings" that they know are there. The reason is simple, because the minute they bring up the "equality" card they know they will be branded as a "hippy" .. "wart wearing" feminist.:rolleyes:

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I went to a strip show years ago, and got talking to one of the girls, I asked her if she enjoyed doing it, and she said it totally paid for her CB600 (she arrived on it btw as well! Good enough reason for me!
Ladies?

Steve

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So many replies...... So little bandwidth........... :smt056

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Another one for you Daimo...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/8081831.stm

Jenny was also racing in one of the BSB support classes at Thruxton weekend just gone..

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BSB isn't top level though is it. Good little read though. I guess these points are perfect examples of female racers not getting enough coverage. Theres such a market there.

Will look out for here in the BSB supersport racing in a few weeks time when the TT's finished.

Oh oh, good point, doesn't the TV programs on ITV4 start soon????

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Oh sod it, go on then I'll bite :D

Daimo, correct me if I'm wrong but is your basic premise that men are better in motorsports because of physical differences, namely they're stronger and so can better resist braking forces etc?

Again, please feel free to correct me if I've missed something but surely the braking and cornering forces experienced by the rider are the effect of g-force and hence proportional to weight? Geoff Capes can probably bench press far more than Rossi but put both frames on a motorcycle (and assume Geoff Capes now has identical riding skill to Rossi) and who wins?

Sure, a certain base line level of strength is required to man-handle (oops, person-handle) a bike around but that base line is well within anyone's reach regardless of gender. And a certain base line level of endurance is required, but again that's within all professional competitors reach - a fair number of riders can run marathons - but those that can run two back-to-back marathons will see no benefit in their riding thanks to that greater endurance.

Even mental differences (of which evidence I have to say is pretty vague and sketchy - it's certainly not a simple "men designed to hunt mammoths therefore better 3D perception" etc) can work both ways. Take the equally vague and sketchy premise of "women are better at multi-tasking" - ergo that could mean women are fractionally better at knowing what the back tyre is up to whilst also concentrating on the bike coming up the inside, whilst also concentrating on their own lines. That effect, if it exists, could easily counter men's benefit (again, if it exists) in better spatial perception.

My racing experience is limited to MZ racing. A class where horse-power got thrown out by Trades Descriptions and bikes are instead rated in hamster power. A class where brakes are barely strong enough to stop the weight of the bike, let alone the weight of the rider on top, and similarly where tyres were so thin they could only cope with the lateral forces involved whilst turning if a rider no heavier than a small child was aboard. Every one of my fellow competitors was stronger than me (I'm guessing here, they were all bigger than me), doubtless all of them had more endurance than me, yet thanks to my diminutive (but still in it's own way extremely hunky) frame I could brake harder, accelerate harder and corner harder; unfortunately none of this was enough to overcome my entire deficit of skill but that's beside the point - I was better than my skill levels should have allowed me. There are plenty of women who are as strong or stronger than me, yet I had all the strength I needed for my class. There are also plenty of women out there who have more endurance than me, yet again I wasn't lacking in that for my class. All I was lacking in was skill.

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at the end of the day though if their good enough to race they can no rules to stop it if their not good enough they shouldnt be given a ride just for the sake of it just my opinion.

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I'm surprised no-one's come into this thread saying

"Men stronger? You try giving birth!"
:p

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i dunno i bet you could get the same pain having a very hot vindaloo and then waiting for the aftermath the next morning :smt088

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She is one of the quick club racers I was on about.Seen her win races against the blokes and she is certainly not a Russian weightlifter either.

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Can't say i've experienced first hand i'll take your word for it! :sunny:

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pit girls to me as a viewer, I dont mind, some are really pritty and i like to think they have an interest in bikes (regardless of the truth!). If i was a racer, I would want one of my male mechanics holding my umbrella, the girl would just be a destraction from my race prep!

women in sport, all about strenght/endurace etc, not mental speed, so they cant compete with top level males. I once had the most crazy debate with a girl who claimed that women rugby players could play equally aganst men. come on, lets not be silly.

Presonally, I would love to see women in male dominated sport, just because the banter would be so good. but unfortunatly, they just arnt up to it. take Kelly Smith, played for Arsenal Ladies and England Womans, she is the best english lady by a country mile, but still wouldnt be good enough to play in the confrence IMO, not because she isnt skilled enough, but her lack of basic speed and strengh that are needed at any decent level, just arnt there.

This kind of reminds me of the debate in the life of brian where the guy wanted to fight the romans for his right have a baby, even though he physically couldnt.

I would love to see woman on top ;)

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Keep on dreaming Pencil boy! ;)

If you look at the number of bikers in in the UK and then see how many race club level - maybe 5%? Then of that 5% maybe 1-2% go on to national level. Then only a small % of that 1-2% will go on to world level. Got to be a handful of people, tops. If you run the number of female bikers through the same process, then just on numbers, you have probably run out of female riders around the National racing stage, let alone world level. It has nothing to do with physical nature of men/women - there just is a far bigger % of guys getting on a bike in the first place.

Be interesting to see male/female % of .org members as I would bet it is probably about 90/10%.

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Apparently it is as bad as trying to squeeze a lemon out ya you know what :shock:

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the giving birth thing is weird and ive never understood why its used as an argument to empower women. women have the tolerance for giving birth, becasue they need to, otherwise there would be serious reprodutive issues. I cant imagine they have any more or less tolerance than men for normal pain, but with less testosterone you can see why men are more agressive and keen to engage in conbat (in a sporting sence)

but still, if a woman can cut it, i say let them play. I would love to see a womans team in the prem league or individual players in a mens team.

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A quick scan down last night's practise times shows Jenny lapped at 109.7mph last night on her Supersport machine. Fingers crossed she can qualify; only needs to find another 0.3mph.

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she ain't just racing but winning and whipping the boys backsides.
Go Girl

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Don't all Scottish girls do that though? :p
EDIT: born in 1994 - i take it back!:smt005

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no probs with pit girls they are just walking adverts as per david becham in his Calvin clines and to be honest theres not a huge amount of ******s learing at them

But the 'glamour stars' they used at the NEC last year on the custom bikes were wrong all they did was play to the pervs

(and i wouldn't have wanted to clean the crome on those after they had done thier show)

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They can....

You try training a womens rugby team, then have 3 beefy girls jump on you, squeezing nipples, grabbing your balls........ 3 of us blokes didn't have a chance... But when we turned round and ran at them properly... Litterally walked straight over the top of them (well ran...). Soon as our shoulders dropper properly... BOOM, wipeout.... :lol: (our girl rugby team were proper beefcakes :lol: )

I went down, bundle ensued......

But could they? No..... Fact...

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Does it just boil down to boys are encouraged and girls aren't?

Sexist I know but even in these days of equality there are still many things that are kept apart.

Risk taking has always been a "male" area even in the simple things in life - to climb a tree or not. Theres always an exception to a rule and that girl would go on to try and break in to the male dominated areas - a tomboy!

Do those fathers who race instinctively want to protect their females from risk ?

I could go on as to the many reasons why females will not break into the elite racing fraternity - see F1

Maybe someone needs to stick their neck out and have female only racing to see how many females are actually interested in the competive side of the sport.

There will always be the watchers, the doers and the why doesnt this happen regardless of the sport

It seems it will be one of those questions that fit the same ilk as the answer to life , the universe and everything.

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we've had topless darts. Topless racing, anyone? :o

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Not in the lower classes they don't ....

I believe you mean Lisa Ross, a very good friend of mine who spent a lot of time and effort trying to get sponsorship form anyone and everyone with very limited success even though she consitantly won races or took 2nd place at her level. A young lad at the time had no problems getting sponsorship from the same places Lisa had tried but never been on the podium before.

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I'll let the video do the talking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CpOAODZbz8

BTW, She was about 13 or 14 when that video was shot.

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And that is impressive..

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see this lot who are very active in BMSEE racing and som,e of them are very good


http://www.bikegirl.co.uk/ladies/feistyracing.html

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http://www.bikegirl.co.uk/images/lad...eam2_nov06.JPG

Woww for some reason i think that looks really good.

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Ah, the Fisty Racing crew

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typo? :lol:

I think Susie - the girl on the bike went out with James Toesland at one point? Or I may be talking bollox.....

Blue_SV650S was mates with them - nice bunch of gals :)

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She is now officially the fastest woman ever round the TT course which is some record for her first attempt.She might make a crap prop forward but she can ride a motorcycle OK.