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In the course of defending yourself you sometimes have to be a bit of animal.

Humans are still completely animal, all the reactions are still there, adrenal response, fight or flight. The lot.

The whole "we must take the moral high ground and be decent" stuff (along with a lack of awareness and training) is why a strong man would hand his wallet over to a mugger or a woman allow herself to be raped without a fight. If you don't meet aggression with aggression then you'll get hurt.

There's a couple of good books by Geoff Thompson on the subject, two phrases stand out; one is that the police are the second enemy in any such scenario. The other is that it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

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Stand out quote of the week

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Its actually 10 but we forgive him his ignorance :)

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Not me, I think it was first said by a yank.

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right i learned this speel for this type of situation
"i used what force i deemed nessesary to stop them being a future threat to myself" (mbk points for telling me what that is)
now if that involves me breaking something of there's or worse i have no qualms about doing it, if as in this case he was running the i would with reasonable "to me" force stop them from making there escape (this gives a very wide scope of what reasonable is), tbh imho he only went too far when he used the weapon if he had continued hitting him on the ground (rucking) to restrain a resisting scumbag he would be a have ago hero ,he used a weapon which make it an unfair fight therefore the aggressor
so in surmation people use your fists and get on the floor with them and you all good

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+ head, elbows, knees. Wouldn't want to scrape a knuckle now would we?

Not a good idea to start grappling if they've got mates with them. But there are lots of 'humane' restraint techniques that let you break people into itty bitty chunks. Judo is great.

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Not fair Spidey, not fair at all. I have never condoned that Sgt Stinky mans behaviour and I can\'t see how it is even relevant to what we are discussing.

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So is it wrong for a woman to \"allow herself\" to be raped without a fight? So should fight and possibly end up murdered instead??

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The possibility is there either way!? whats your point.

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That's nowhere near the point I was making. What I believe is that any level of brutality is perfectly acceptable and that there is absolutely no shame in "descending to their level" when required. It is the only language these animals understand.*

Have a read of the case studies in dead or alive by Geoff Thompson. I interpret those as saying a murderer will do murder. Cases of women walking to their deaths, possibly for the very reason you state above.**

It's a sight harder to kill someone who has just stuck their thumbs in your eyes or smashed their elbow into your nose with 12 stone behind it.

Better to die like a man than live like a dog and all that.


*as I'm sure you've found out in the job, all that humane restraint stuff is a load of balls. If you were attacked by someone with a serious size advantage the only thing which would save you is a violent surprise attack. Better yet, run like hell or don't put yourself in the cliched dark alley in the first place.
**one stands out where the woman down the cliched dark alley tried to stand up, inadvertently splattering her attackers nose with the back of her head. She escaped.