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Re: Better get your show plates ordered now!!

I hope so!
There's just too many elephants clogging up my commute to work in the morning :rant:

Re: Better get your show plates ordered now!!

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Originally Posted by simesb (Post 1635193)

I think it is illegal if it doesn't display the BS no. Of course, you could print the BS no yourself - I don't know the legalities of printing a BS no when you don't have the "right" to.

OK, I'm going to be a bit cheeky here to highlight the point I'm making, so don't take this as having a go...

I'm an elephant seller. I sell elephants, but they don't have a BS number (displayed or otherwise). Am I going to be prosecuted for selling illegal numberplates? I match all of the criteria given so far...

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Originally Posted by simesb (Post 1635193)

I think it is illegal if it doesn't display the BS no. Of course, you could print the BS no yourself - I don't know the legalities of printing a BS no when you don't have the "right" to.

I think you are still completely missing the point.
We are talking about the sale of show plates becoming illegal. So the question is what makes something a show plate?

Is an elephant a show plate for example?
Or is a Yellow keyring that you can buy from woolies that says F4ST C4R in black writing a show plate?

Re: Better get your show plates ordered now!!

I took a pillion once who snapped the numberplate/indicators off my tail tidy and snapped the number plate in half when he got off my bike (clumsy t**t) so I got the signwriter that works next door to me to make me up a metal one which will never snap in half. I take it this is now illegal?

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Originally Posted by simesb (Post 1634840)

Won't make any difference. If they do clamp down, the manufacturers will just move offshore....

+ 1, just like the dark visor shops did.

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Originally Posted by rowdy (Post 1635202)

I take it this is now illegal?

Because you have already bought it, it's not going to get anymore illegal than it already is (?) but it sounds like you're not going to be able to buy a replacement in the future legally.

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Originally Posted by muffles (Post 1635196)

OK, I'm going to be a bit cheeky here to highlight the point I'm making, so don't take this as having a go...

Not at all - I don't know the answers so it's a useful discussion to have.

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Originally Posted by muffles (Post 1635196)

I'm an elephant seller. I sell elephants, but they don't have a BS number (displayed or otherwise). Am I going to be prosecuted for selling illegal numberplates? I match all of the criteria given so far...

I guess it's reasonableness. It's not reasonable for you to expect that a customer would attempt to use one of your elephants as a plate. However, if you made something which was like a plate but smaller, and had the reg of the accused (bearing in mind that one of the points is to avoid vehicle cloning) then it may be reasonable to expect your customer to attempt to use it as a plate.

Did I get the point now? :D

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Originally Posted by muffles (Post 1635196)

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Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave (Post 1635206)

+ 1, just like the dark visor shops did.

You're f**** Muffles! The postage is going to be horrendous from overseas now.

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Originally Posted by simesb (Post 1635213)

I guess it's reasonableness.

When has the Law ever been reasonable

:lol:

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Originally Posted by simesb (Post 1635213)

Not at all - I don't know the answers so it's a useful discussion to have.

I guess it's reasonableness. It's not reasonable for you to expect that a customer would attempt to use one of your elephants as a plate. However, if you made something which was like a plate but smaller, and had the reg of the accused (bearing in mind that one of the points is to avoid vehicle cloning) then it may be reasonable to expect your customer to attempt to use it as a plate.

Did I get the point now? :D

Haha, yep you do - but I still think the test of 'reasonable' is too vague (I know it's used in some other bits of law - such as the careless driving/dangerous driving test). Actually, in your example above, I would expect the 'reasonable' test to apply to whether it was "like" a plate, rather than would it be reasonable to expect the customer to use it as a plate - because, it is still legal to have a non-compliant plate on your bike, off road.

One of the main problems is that the DVLA haven't even attempted to clarify this - no examples, nothing, not even a consideration of this point. I wonder if it's intentional - so they can just "decide" if you are or aren't allowed to make a particular "plate"...

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 1635214)

You're f**** Muffles! The postage is going to be horrendous from overseas now.

:smt043 - genuinely cracked me up! I'll have to move to smaller animals, such as cats and dogs...