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Bluefish 04-05-09 06:34 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
Good job you haven't sold the Virago yet :grin:

Alpinestarhero 04-05-09 06:36 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
Following on from tazdaz's reply, do you "blip" the throttle on downchanges to reduce the risk of the rear tyre loosing grip?

Inspect for any oil leaks, chain lube fling onto the rear ture etc. You say the problem also happens during cornering - is it more prominent through either left turns or right turns?

I'm going with tyre pressures at this stage, but there could be a slim chance its the rear shock. How old is the bike, and its milage?

davepreston 04-05-09 06:39 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
waiting for mate with tpg
it might just be me but right turns are really scary
15000 on the bike its a 99

ophic 04-05-09 06:43 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
taken into account the weather? not being funny here - we've some good dry spells followed by a load of rain - this will make the roads very greasy.

Alpinestarhero 04-05-09 06:46 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davepreston (Post 1894225)
waiting for mate with tpg
it might just be me but right turns are really scary
15000 on the bike its a 99

Check the right side of both tyres. Check the rear brake is not binding aswell? With those miles and that age, the rear shock will be a bit tired but shouldn't be giving those problems, I'd think you can rule it out

fizzwheel 04-05-09 06:48 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TazDaz (Post 1894215)
If you knock it down a few gears whilst on the front brake, if the revs happen to bounce high enough it may spin the wheel up a bit which can feel weird.

Whats driving the wheel in that scenario ?

How do you spin the wheel in the direction of travel ( which is what I think you are impying ) when the throttle is shut and no fuel is being admited to cylinders to burn to move the bike forward.

Cant see what you're getting at...

Alpinestarhero 04-05-09 06:51 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fizzwheel (Post 1894242)
Whats driving the wheel in that scenario ?

How do you spin the wheel in the direction of travel ( which is what I think you are impying ) when the throttle is shut and no fuel is being admited to cylinders to burn to move the bike forward.

Cant see what you're getting at...

Perhaps he means that the decelaration of the rear wheel is too great...low gear + high rpm = lots of engine braking, eeeeek

TazDaz 04-05-09 06:59 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fizzwheel (Post 1894242)
Whats driving the wheel in that scenario ?

How do you spin the wheel in the direction of travel ( which is what I think you are impying ) when the throttle is shut and no fuel is being admited to cylinders to burn to move the bike forward.

Cant see what you're getting at...

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero (Post 1894247)
Perhaps he means that the decelaration of the rear wheel is too great...low gear + high rpm = lots of engine braking, eeeeek

Obvisouly this could be nonsense, I'm not an expert or owt - just I thought this was one of the reasons racers use the rear brake quite heavily!

If you're hooning down the road, apply the front brake so the weight is on the front, but at the same time knock it down a few gears which will cause the revs to shoot up. Won't this cause the rear to try and spin quicker than the front??? :smt102

DarrenSV650S 04-05-09 07:14 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
If it is just happening on right handers I'd check the wheels are aligned as has been already said.

sam anon 04-05-09 07:15 PM

Re: fish tailing like mad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TazDaz (Post 1894262)
Obvisouly this could be nonsense, I'm not an expert or owt - just I thought this was one of the reasons racers use the rear brake quite heavily!

If you're hooning down the road, apply the front brake so the weight is on the front, but at the same time knock it down a few gears which will cause the revs to shoot up. Won't this cause the rear to try and spin quicker than the front??? :smt102

No, the revs only rise on downchanges as the engine is then being driven by the rear wheel. The engine will only rev as much rear wheel makes it rev, so won't spin up the back.

The engine braking can overcome the rear wheel and lock it up though, as editted.

As has been stated, I'd look at head bearings, tyre pressures, and all the swingarm pivots.


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