Re: The Law and Cycling
 

Dave you've spent too much time in law school :p

I agree with this partially, there are big misunderstandings on both sides for which training and education would help. In my opinion part of the test for motor vehicles should include content on understanding the limitation of other vehicles and how to behave around them be it lorries, motorbikes, milk floats, etc. for cycling maybe compulsory training while at school would be a good idea.

Despite this I would still go back to my original point of proportion, there are plenty of motorists who have done their theory and driving test who still drive badly and do many of the things cyclists are accused of on a regular basis, the difference is a cyclist doing these things generally only put themselves at risk and mostly will be no more than a nuisance, however someone in charge of a ton and a half of metal.......

Going back to the OP perhaps applying all the rules of the road to cyclists could be considered as trying to apply gun laws to peashooters?

Most of Europe has this proportional view when it comes to civil claims, the driver of the larger vehicle has a duty of care to those more vulnerable road users, it is something that is being proposed in the UK too I believe.

Re: The Law and Cycling
 

Strangely enough there are laws about loud piped and small number plates but I don't see much about that on this forum...

;)

Mark

Re: The Law and Cycling
 

Interesting reading. I knew about the drink cycling one. May have made use of that myself on occasion, a bit merry but I could still cycle in a straight line.

The speed limit one is useful to know. Richmond park has a 20mph limit, but its pretty easy to break it most of the way round. I have gone for an overtake a few times only to have the car swerve at me, knuckles dragging out the window, shouting "The speed limit's 20".

I did think you could get points on your drivers license for RTA on a bike.

Also I don't think cyclist training would go very far. Without licensing it difficult to make it mandatory and there is currently loads of info and training out there.

Part of the problem though is that it can be very difficult to learn from your mistakes. Mistake in car = dent to the wallet most likely. Mistake on pushbike = likely never to cycle again, either can;t or give it up as too dangerous. This is born out if you talk to cycle commuters in London. Those that cycle within the rules of the road etc. tend to have had an off but I have heard many times from cyclist who jump lights "What harm does it do" or similar, so clearly have never had to pick bits of road out of their hands.