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Re: helmets with internal tinted visors

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Originally Posted by Jamiebridges123 (Post 1921822)

Indeed.. I must agree..

Tbh optimum price for a helmet is about £220.. after that you won't get any more "saftey"... just blingy power ranger paint jobs... which often cost £150 over a plain version!

Based on what, precisely?

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Originally Posted by rictus01 (Post 1921832)

Hmmmmm, having looked into the tests "sharp" do and the reaction of even the manufactuer who done well it them, it is almost universally excepted within the industy to be seriously flawed to the point where it's misleading as to real world safety.

whilst I full except with the top line race rep lids; you're paying over the odds for it, and many a "cheap" lid will offer enough protection and a great many carry the ACU GOLD standard (which I'd trust more than the sharp test rating by the way), I wouldn't expect the durability in either construction or wear from them, as an owner of both types, I'm expecting to replace the cheaper one far sooner as I'm sure it'll become a compromised fit (the biggest safty factor by the way) way before the Arai's & shoei's will.

each to their own I suppose, but just standing by the Sharp test, without considering what those that develop helmets say is as narrow minded IMHO.

Cheers Mark.

It is notable that most of the expensive manufacturers came out and said the test was flawed after their helmets didn't score so well. Generally, more expensive helmets have a better finish and appear to be better quality, but they all pass the same minimum standards (ECE 22.05, ACU etc). SHARP is a good idea as it gives a comparison rather than pass/fail. I find it quite telling that the manufacturers aren't proposing changes that would allow them to support the scheme.

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well I've had two Shark lids now, and the Sharp test gave them good ratings. After falling off last year and crashing my head on the floor, it did its job, just a slight scrape to the paint.
I'm more than satisfied with the 150 quid spent on it. My budget can't afford much more.

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i love my shoeis my first a raid2 then my xr1000 now as most know im far from rich but the simple fact is they both have saved me some serious damage during my offs , so i hark back to the old addage how much is your head worth. buy the best in your budget THAT ACTUALLY FITS RIGHT! lets be honest about this are you better getting that bling bit for the bike or sticking another 30 quid towards the best lid you can get "simples"
the sharp test is flawed is been proved flawed and is only still used as they have not worked out a new system for testing yet, i for one hope they add a visor retention part as i know of plenty of offs where the visor has fecked off while sliding down the road face first (both the above dont this has been tested by me)
most of helmet choice should be done to this (not in order)
advice from mates 2%
fit and comfort 85%
self knowledge 3%
max budget 5%
intended use 5%
and lastly the final sway will be (be honest)
i like the look of that one

Re: helmets with internal tinted visors

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Originally Posted by simesb (Post 1921864)

Based on what, precisely?

You see helmets for £50.. you can tell most of these will be crap..

You can see the mid-ranged £150 helmets... these'll be fine..

Then you start to get the to pricey stuff, £200-£450 and you know this has all the techology, and some more stuff like extra venting, pinlock blah blah blah..

Anything more than that is because of the flashy paintjob..

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Originally Posted by appollo1 (Post 1921817)

I have a Caberg with an internal visor........I have noticed as well that it steams up very easily and most of the time i end up riding with the visor open slightly.

What colour is your visor? Mine turned very slightly yellowish and steamed up for fun. I mentioned this to a Caberg chap at the NEC show and he said that it's a common fault and I should request a new visor (under warranty) from the shop I bought it from. A week later, a new (completely clear) visor and it never steamed up again.

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Originally Posted by davepreston (Post 1922037)

ok, has anyone had an off where a cheapy helmet has failed em? In other words theyve suffered and thought 'if I'd spent more on my lid I'd probably be in better condition'.

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I think i'm going to go into business.

I'm going to buy helmets for 100, paint them in a fancy colour, pay toseland £1m to wear his normal helmet painted to look like one of mine. Then i can sell them for £999. I mean they must be good if they cost that much and Toesland wears one that looks the same. Imagine how safe everyone wil be in a £999 helmet. They're pricey but your head is worth it right?

LOL @ all u fools.

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I've been using my brand new Airoh Force for the last couple of days and I love it. It's mat black, loads lighter than my previous Caberg Trip and the fit is great. The visor area is larger and wider, and the internal visor fills the opening much better. It is quieter but still has a wind whistle due to the vents on top but ear plugs sort that. It seems to be a well made and finished helmet, much more solid feeling than the Caberg, and the chin strap is a sort of rachet to allow a wide and quick range of adjustment. The internal visor mechanism is down on the left side, under the edge, which makes it easy to operate and doesn't cause any additional noise. It is very stable too, no buffetting or pulling/pushing at any speed.
All in all I am a fan and at £135 delivered so is my wallet.

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Originally Posted by New Leaf (Post 1920812)

sorry was a bit rude.

Damn right it was. We are all entitled to our opinion.

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I was just thinking that Sharp is the only objective test we have that grades helmets by and gives them a rating rather than just pass or fail.

Say the people who created the test.

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I see it as a bit gullible, to be taken in by the marketing and assume a £400 lid is better than a £100 lid when the only independent scientific test available to us say otherwise. I can't see why anyone would say that a lid is better cos it costs more and Rossi wears it. First off Rossi doesn't wear it - it just has the same badge, and second the fact Rossi wears it and they have to pay him a fortune to do so is what makes it expensive - not the fact that its better.

Are you suggesting that Snell, ECER2205 and the other tests are not scientific? That's clearly incorrect. Science has to play a part, otherwise calculating forces transferred might as well be replaced by smashing brightly coloured play-doh together and saying 'ooooh' and 'ahhh'.

As a point of order - the Arai helmets racers wear are the same as the top-spec helmets you can buy off the shelf, whether designed for four wheeled or two wheeled use. I can't speak for Shoei, Shark, etc... as I don't wear them - they don't fit my head properly.

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Also it seems silly to assume that you can decide that you know better than the sharp testers, when all your going on is marketing, counting the logos on Motogp, and whatever u can read on the web.

No, I'm going on the considered opinion and much more extensive experience of those people who have been testing helmets for many years, as opposed to the 'sharp guys' who have created a UK government backed scheme and undertaken testing for less than 18 months.

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The sharp guys have gone about it in a scientific way and whilst it may not be a perfect test, it is the best indication we have about the safety of a helmet.

Say the people who created the test

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If anyone wants to use price as your indicator of quality rather than an independent scientific test - then they don't really have a head worth protecting so i guess its not an issue.

My head is worth every penny of £400, and experience of a number of manufacturers has taught me exactly what you're arguing against - price IS a measure of quality. Cheaper lids (Caberg, AGV, Shark, and others which I have personally used) have not, in my experience, been as well made or made from as high quality materials as the Arai I wear now, nor have they lasted as long before degrading in fit, and therefore, inherently, in their ability to safely absorb impact and provide protection.

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