Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

Im not disagreeing with you, but would you be happy with your son/daughter getting drunk on a regular basis? Probably not to the same extent as you would if they got stoned. But if weed was treated the same as alcohol (legal) would you still feel the same?

Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

No an objective mind would have to accept that people like drugs and compare the social issues and potential for revenue in them.

When I smoked I was always really gutted to have to pay full price for tobacco, £5 for 50g (now £11 for same amount here!) for some imported from somewhere with more sensible tax levels seemed more fair. Hardly as illegal as trying to buy crack but is that what you mean?

Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

I guess I was meaning this

What kind of place was it where you bought these cheaper fags?

I mean I really had no idea about how much smuggling went all til recently, but it surely it must be the case that people have bought these cheaper poor quality ciggys from a normal newsagent without even knowing about it.

Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

Quite possibly, as the packaging on the counterfeit ones is every bit as good as the originals except for the quality control, so contain sawdust, dust, dirt, heavy metals, you name it its in there

Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

The same sort of people who casually sell weed TBH... under the counter at newsagents is pretty common but I think most common is people bringing some back from their holidays.

TBH smoking rollies you can tell if it is some odd stuff... and would not buy same again, maybe tailor mades are different but most of it was just brought in from foreign parts and exactly same stuff as here just 1/3rd the price.

Smuggling has been going on as long as taxation has, I wouldn't think it hardly worth enforcing compared to the ills of smuggling harder stuff.

Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

Exactly, what's OK and what isn't? - I'm not suggesting I know the answer, but I'm pretty sure that the substances that are presently legal and those that aren't and why probably don't make much logistical sense.

There's one thing that I do find deeply offensive which is lawmakers dictating what drugs are and aren't legal whilst taking drugs subsidised by your tax money.
Which is otherwise known as drinking in the commons bar - way cheaper that spending your own money, (including the significant amounts of tax), in the pub.

Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

This proves that exact point.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8334774.stm

ridiculous!

Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11665560

That earlier scatter graph looks to be accurate. If i ever try anything ill have a go with LSd lol

Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

Ha Eccies and LSD least damaging....that's because on LSD you die from jumping out a window....lol!

I personally don't like cannabis because I have watched family members and friends mental health deteriorate - in almost exactly the same way with the paranoia and things. I have also watched people who use cannabis to try and escape their problems end up moving onto to harder drugs and ruining their lives.

Almost every single heroin addict I have ever spoken to (which is quite a lot) has told me that their downfall was cannabis. That's not me saying that everyone who smokes cannabis is gonna end up on heroin, not saying that at all, however, it is a stepping stone for people with the right problems and things.

Drugs legislation will never be perfect. It is impossible to legislate it in order to keep everyone happy.

Re: California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !
 

With the same reasoning you could argue that it could have started even before cannabis with plain old cigarettes and alcohol, to a person who is sensitive to stimulants.

Heroin is special case, a drug with an addictive quality way above all the others. I always think of John Lennon, a man with the world at his feet and yet had a go at the 'H' when it was in vogue (like 'E's & ohms to my generation) and ten years later was still on it !

The real problem is that when you go to score from a dealer, they quickly spot the young lads / lasses that keep coming back and then its in there own interest to move them onto Herion. To dealers Herion is a wonder product, plentiful, cheap, highly addictive, a golden ticket.

sleepy eyed teenage stoner; "got any gear mate ?"

dealer; "No go Joe, there's bit off a drought on at the mo, got loads of 'H' and its only £5 a wrap"