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Re: I.A.M - How many younger riders consider advanced riding?

your £100 gets you unlimited training andincludes your test fee and membership to iam for year

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 1799138)

The insurance co. asks if you are a member? - you reply with your fingers crossed - "yeah, (an Associate member *cough)" That's what I did 8-[

Yes, if you don't know what it is!
But you probaby do if you've been through the training/
IPSGA is the system to deal with any hazard.
Information
Position
Speed
Gear
Acceleration.

I bet my house Lozzo uses the system everytime he rides almost all of the time, he just doesn't consider that he is following a rigid set of rules but he is thinking for hmself, which is exactly what IAM wants - thinking riders.

ahh information rings a bell. I've had about 4 or 5 observations, the guy says I've made a marked improvement but I do feel a bit guilty for not reading the book.

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 1799138)

IPSGA is the system to deal with any hazard.
Information
Position
Speed
Gear
Acceleration.

I knew of that system before I did BikeSafe (and it was taught on BikeSafe) - afterall it's actually RoadCraft theory. I also used that system (basically) before I knew it existed - and tend to use it instinctively.

So I'm not a 'thinking rider' per say, I ride by instinct.

Please don't tell me I'd have to pay £109 for the first year, then put fuel in someone else's tank just to learn what I already know!

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Originally Posted by kitkat (Post 1799145)

your £100 gets you unlimited training andincludes your test fee and membership to iam for year

Unlimited training that I pay for (petrol for observer and lunch cos I'm a nice guy), the observer is a volunteer so no monies to him. So the £109 is my test fee? Seems a bit steep. :D

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Originally Posted by Luckypants (Post 1799163)

Unlimited training that I pay for (petrol for observer and lunch cos I'm a nice guy), the observer is a volunteer so no monies to him. So the £109 is my test fee? Seems a bit steep. :D

From reading this thread, membership after you pass the test is £30p.a. Therefore the test is £79.

But yes, still steep.

I guess in all honesty, it's just that IAM isn't for everyone.

I see ROSPA Gold as a challenege, I don't see IAM as a challenege. I'd rather pay for something I'm going to benefit from. Even if that's just a holiday on the bike in the Alps.

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Originally Posted by Luckypants (Post 1799163)

Unlimited training that I pay for (petrol for observer and lunch cos I'm a nice guy), the observer is a volunteer so no monies to him. So the £109 is my test fee? Seems a bit steep. :D

all observers are volunteers. i used to get £3 petrol money or a coffee. i became an observer to give something back. i dont think £100 is bad. took me loads of trainng to get to test standard.

considering cost of lessons these days.

why has this centered?

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Originally Posted by Baph (Post 1799171)

i pay 17.50 a year membership

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Originally Posted by Luckypants (Post 1799116)

I echo Baph's sentiments about what exactly you get for the money. What do I get for £100? Just joining a club? Seeing as to get any practical benefit I need to pay the instructor's (oh sorry, he's not qualified therefore he is an observer) petrol and my own a Saturday ride will cost me £80 odd. (Fair play the observer is a volunteer, so I see nothing wrong with paying his petrol - just this is on top of my joining fee)

For my £80 odd (I'm not under 25 but it was cheaper a couple of years ago) I got a years worth of monthly observed rides so 2-3 hrs a month I went out for a ride. I didn't have to pay a single penny after the joining fee other than my own petrol. I learnt new routes & I learnt absolutely tons about riding, (Counter steering, positioning, etc. etc. so everything they don't teach you on DAS) I was only 6 months post DAS so maybe a lot of you will have picked up a lot of experience anyway, maybe some of you think you know what your doing ;) and the high initial fee covers your test which I passed 1st time (which I think is a lot more commonn becuase you don't need to rush into it - it doesn't give you any new rights and the training is free so whu rush it (£50 to resit it) after that £30pa is reasonable as an annual membership of any club IMO

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I have also heard the rumours that advice / assessments are not consistent therefore the £100 does not seem a good investment.

Yes that is always a risk - but they should be aware of that criticism and try hard to avoid it. The observers go through a lot of training themselves and part of that is to remain consistent. Other clubs from mine assign one single observer to you. But I much preferred different ones. Every single month I remember learning at least one thing that was a revalation to me from each different observer.

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Originally Posted by fizzwheel (Post 1799130)

Ouch, thats alot of money, but not knowing what IAM is really about, what does one get for that ? I

Also as alluded to above, I've met a couple of snooty IAM instructors, I listend to one examiner talk to his pupil about what he carried in his toolkit for nearly 20 minutes at Podimore services, it bored the sh*t out of me, all that and they hadnt even got on their bikes to start riding.

I have never experienced anything even approaching 1% of that in my club YMMV :smt102

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 1799183)

I have never experienced anything even approaching 1% of that in my club YMMV :smt102

It sums up just about every IAM member or trainee I've encountered in nearly 31 years of motorcycling

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 1799138)

I bet my house Lozzo uses the system everytime he rides almost all of the time, he just doesn't consider that he is following a rigid set of rules but he is thinking for hmself, which is exactly what IAM wants - thinking riders.

IAM trains out the thinking for yourself.

I'll pm you my solicitor's name and address for you to forward your house deeds to.

To paraphrase Rene Descartes:

I think, therefore I am not IAM.