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yorkie_chris 01-09-10 08:48 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
So you did as you were told, wired it up, and lo, it was reeeeet :mrgreen:

no_akira 01-09-10 09:26 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
Any chance of a link to your MOSFET type rectifier or confirmation that the CBR rf link posted will do the trick would be appreciated because I need to order it today as taking the bus does my head in.

Cheers N_A

yorkie_chris 01-09-10 09:32 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
I think that CBR one you link to is older than you need.

read this
http://eviltwinsbk.com/forumz/index.php?topic=276.0

the actual components can come off myriad bikes, you are just wanting one that has similar mounting bolt centers to make it easy to fit.

CBR ones are dead easy, same bolt centers, mine was off CBR-RR 04 something like that. You need to change connectors a bit.


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Originally Posted by no_akira (Post 2358009)
I'm still seeking a final solution on this and was just about to start a new post on my new theory, failure due to poor "Heat dissipation"

I want to solve this problem, the bike has blown both the original oem rf and the more robust gxr rf.

This one that's gone is a GSXR item?

no_akira 01-09-10 10:02 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
A: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SUZUKI-GSXR600...torcycle_Parts this is the second rf that went.

This is from your link and is kinda how i'm thinking.
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Heat is the number 1 killer of these devices.
Incidentally its a misconception that these thing work harder with increased load i.e. higher-wattage lights, heated vests etc - actually, the higher the load on the output, the less work the regulator does in dumping that excess energy and will actually run cooler!!
Its funny he says this because I often ride WITHOUT lights on during day light (because of the misconception he talks about) he suggests leaving the lights on should make the rf fun cooler. This would however also drain the battery if the rf is failing and your 200 miles away and trying to get home.

As I see it i've got 3 choices...

1. Standard SV rf but then try to improve the cooling, drill holes / back plate £40

2. CBR generic rf from Hong Kong, adjustment to wiring (easy) £15 +
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/REGULATOR-RECT...torcycle_Parts

3. Yamaha R1 (MOSFET) 2007 onwards £69+

I'm favouring option 2 purely because if it blows again its only £15 but also will adjust my riding style and turn the lights on during day light.

yorkie_chris 01-09-10 10:06 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
I think your option 2 is actually old type shunt one and no better than stock.

D'Ecosse is highly respected by me and many others who know a lot more than me, and he even put it in bold.
"If you have an SV650, the ideal replacement is the FH008 off late model CBR"

no_akira 01-09-10 10:30 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
Yes that's true but possibly it might be a better build quality (Honda specification) but also I might try and relocate the rf to other side of the bike, away from the exhaust and with a backing plate ali/copper + air holes / mesh under side of curvy passenger back rump.

Sid Squid 01-09-10 10:54 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by no_akira (Post 2358009)
I'm still seeking a final solution on this and was just about to start a new post on my new theory, failure due to poor "Heat dissipation" with the rf being insulated inside a tight plastic box directly above an efficient heat convector (stainless exhaust).
I want to solve this problem, the bike has blown both the original oem rf and the more robust gxr rf. If that means doing a bit of soldering / drilling and costing a little more this time fine.

Don't make things complicated, fit a decent unit and leave it alone. We've been through this many times and there's one proper fix: get a decent unit and fit that.
The 'more robust' unit you fitted is, from what I think you're suggesting, from a GSXR, well, they're known for failure too.
And while we're on the subject of regulator failure I imagine that just about every model of every make that's ever been unleashed on the public has, at one time or another, suffered a failure, there's no make which is immune, so while some may be better than others in this respect I rather doubt it's due to the unit's position on your bike which leads me to; cutting holes in the bodywork is at best sidestepping the problem, a unit that is working properly gets all the cooling it needs, and I sincerely doubt that the position of the exhaust - hot as it may be - adds to the heating of the regulator to any significant degree.

yorkie_chris 01-09-10 10:55 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
Only way exhaust is heating reg is if you are riding at 5mph for fear of overcharging :mrgreen:

yorkie_chris 01-09-10 10:57 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by no_akira (Post 2358130)
Yes that's true but possibly it might be a better build quality (Honda specification) but also I might try and relocate the rf to other side of the bike, away from the exhaust and with a backing plate ali/copper + air holes / mesh under side of curvy passenger back rump.

Might be better build quality? They are probably buying reg from same place as OEM, and you are buying cheap pattern one. Build quality?

Plus no heat sinks on reg? What does that tell you about amount of heat dissipated?

I think you have some very odd logic on this.

no_akira 01-09-10 11:29 AM

Re: Self Combusting Rectifier - just caught it.
 
I've got to disagree with you Sid, 2 rectifier failures on a bike that is only 6 years old and has only done 22K and along with the amount of posts about the subject on this forum suggests otherwise.

I strongly believe there is an issue with rf placement on this model either from poor heat dissipation as well as being in a location that suffers badly from road shock doesn't help either.
The reason a solution has never been worked out is that generally bike ownership is a few years, then the model is sold on and the problem is passed onto the next mug.

Am I expecting too much for the rf unit to last the full life time of the bike as they do on most other bikes ?

Its issues like this that can easily tarnish a bikes reputation especially when the SV is IMHO on its way to being a modern day classic.

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Plus no heat sinks on reg? What does that tell you about amount of heat dissipated?
well as the SV rf isn't dissipating heat does it matter ?


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