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Thats the case alright. Please dont take my word for it but do some googling for "Operation Kratos"

The simple rules for this type of engagnent were trained to a select few of the firearms unit by Israeli Secret Services. They obviously are th ones who routinely may have to deal with a suicide bomber so they were the best to get training from, the Met police have admitted this much.

Kratos rules of engament had to be diffrent from the norm for obvious reasons. Some of those they have made public are outlined below

1-No Visual or verbal "warning" or "identification" of armed officers. Scream "armed police" like they usualy do and the bomber will simply detonate himself.
2-No warning before firing. For same reasons as above
3-Multiple head shots from as close to point blank as possile. Apparently using special 124grain rounds for maximum damage and trauma. They say standard rounds from pistols at close range were found to pass thru the head too cleanly and if the brain does not suffer maximum physical damage as quickly as possible then apparently there is still a chance the muscles will contract and trigger the bomb.

Now if thats the rules you're playing by for the operation you wanna make sure...no DAMN sure, the guy you suspect is suspected for all the right reasons.
And you sure as hell would have taken him out before he got on the first bus...or at least before he got into the tube station. On the escalaters, where we have all now seen CCTV footage of at least 3 guys near him.
But no that team were told to follow him only, the other team were told to eliminate him. Simple.

But they got the wrong guy.

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Hey Spiderman dont let this thread die so easy!

Lets say you is a policeman with a gun and your job is to serve and protect...but you are told that if you pull the trigger and get it wrong...u is done for murder and locked away for a very long time...would you volunteer?

Nope and neither would anyone else,

Not saying kill for free but mistakes have to be taken as just that. Without the policeman on a ski jump to 30 years.

Not talking about this case but in general. Problem with this case is it goes to the moon and plenty of top brass are in the line for a kicking. The individual shooters can say they were following orders and so the chain of command is just as responsible.

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I'd shoot you for that!

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Wot Bad grammer?

Cant shoot suspected terrorists but ok to shoot poor grammer users

My god and i thought I were crazy!:smt081

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I don't think that's been suggested.

That's the whole point. This wasnt a case of a single tragic mistake, it was a cataloge of blunders.

Re: Menezes health and safety hearing
 

Basket, dude, please understand where i am comming from.

The individulas who pulled the triggers did so (apparently-since the CCTV from the acrriage has mysteriously dissapeared an it has now emerged on officer cleared the train carriage out before the others opened fire) with all the best reasons to.

Its the ones who gave them the orders - based on crap surveillance and intel - that need to be held accountable.

An innocent man was killed yet the polices defence seems to me to be no diffrent than it would have been if the intended terrosist had beeen killed but found to have been of no danger as he was not armed or carrying explosives.
Honestly, think about it, if they had killed Osman like this would they be defending themselves in any other way than they are now?
I dont thnk so but they'd have more of the public on their said saying "well he was a terrorist and thats the risks you take if you are one" and they would have an easier time of wriggling out of it.

But they killed a totally innocent man. It could have been you.

Re: Menezes health and safety hearing
 

You're Right! I was in London at the time as well. And a tube user. But I was no where near.

Not having a pop but do ya think that a mosickle forum is the best place for this? If ya feel strongly I can give ya some addresses and stuff to write too. You can say what ya feel and maybe change things. If the general public were really on it then things can change. Touchy feely police and all that.

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Well thats whats nice about our little forum here buddy...that we discuss in a grown up manner all types of issues. Thats what IB is all about you see...anything goes as long as it doesnt get rude or descend into a slanging match with personal insults flying about.

As for writing to the cops in the hope the will change... i think i got more chance of asking NASA if i can go on their next shuttle as a passenger...for free :lol:

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that's pushing it a bit ;)
erm...I did that 3 years ago, saying it would be good publicity for them. They never replied - perhaps they're still thinking about it :lol:

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Not saying we can't discuss this as adults...but you have a point to say and you seem to feel it strong. So give it full monty and make it happen.

One person can make a difference...you never watched Knight Rider as a kid?:p