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SoulKiss 12-01-09 04:13 PM

SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
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While messing around with The GIMP I thought I would share this.....

Basically its an S overlayed on a N - shows the difference in bar position quite nicely so I thought I would share.

Skip 12-01-09 04:41 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
I thought the fork angle was very slightly different on the N to the S - or was that the superior curvy model?

MiniMatt 12-01-09 04:46 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
I remember when my red SV used to look that shiny :(

Interesting - the bars on the nekkid don't look as ludicrously high as I first thought. Haven't had anything other than clip-ons for so long that every time I sit on a nekkid bike it instantly feels unnatural but as all the nice looking bikes these days are semi or totally nekkid I'm beginning to think my next one might be in the buff.

Alpinestarhero 12-01-09 04:48 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
I find that manufactures out on handlebars that are never quite wide enough - I don't like how un-wide the SV-N bars are, and the same with the fazer.

Stig 12-01-09 04:48 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1742471)
I thought the fork angle was very slightly different on the N to the S - or was that the superior curvy model?

I wasn't aware of that.

Stig 12-01-09 04:49 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniMatt (Post 1742484)
I remember when my red SV used to look that shiny :(

Interesting - the bars on the nekkid don't look as ludicrously high as I first thought. Haven't had anything other than clip-ons for so long that every time I sit on a nekkid bike it instantly feels unnatural but as all the nice looking bikes these days are semi or totally nekkid I'm beginning to think my next one might be in the buff.

Best of both. A naked with clip-ons. ;)

SoulKiss 12-01-09 04:53 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1742471)
I thought the fork angle was very slightly different on the N to the S - or was that the superior curvy model?

That composite was created using the 06 pics from the main site.

I cheated and just grafted the fairing/bars and tops of the forks from the faired SV onto the body of the naked, mainly because it was fiddly deleting all the background bits, and that I wanted something a little consistant to work with.

I did, however, do a rough clean-up and there were no differences that couldn't be written off as camera angle/position.

Alpinestarhero 12-01-09 04:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BigApe (Post 1742497)
Best of both. A naked with clip-ons. ;)

I was thinking a faired with renthal handlebars...

ooooorrr

LSL

oh yum

yorkie_chris 12-01-09 05:08 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1742471)
I thought the fork angle was very slightly different on the N to the S - or was that the superior curvy model?

They look to be, due to more fork protruding from the top of the top yoke as standard on the naked, however the top yoke is a different thickness. So the geometry is practicaly identical.

Stu 12-01-09 05:08 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigApe (Post 1742497)
Best of both. A naked with clip-ons. ;)

So you reckon TSM's is a shining example to us all? :???:



But yes :twisted:

rowdy 12-01-09 05:16 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulKiss (Post 1742517)
That composite was created using the 06 pics from the main site.

I cheated and just grafted the fairing/bars and tops of the forks from the faired SV onto the body of the naked, mainly because it was fiddly deleting all the background bits, and that I wanted something a little consistant to work with.

I did, however, do a rough clean-up and there were no differences that couldn't be written off as camera angle/position.

I thought that the pegs were lower on the nekid or have I been misinformed

yorkie_chris 12-01-09 05:19 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Yep, they are lower.

SoulKiss 12-01-09 05:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 1742586)
Yep, they are lower.

Nope they are not - I checked and double-checked this as I thought that to be the case.

yorkie_chris 12-01-09 05:52 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
They are definately different on the curvy.

Stu 12-01-09 05:57 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rowdy (Post 1742579)
I thought that the pegs were lower on the nekid or have I been misinformed

I'm confused now too, thought it was different nekid to faired, if not then it's different K3 to K4+

yorkie_chris 12-01-09 05:59 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Yes that too, the K3 uses similar to the curvy levers, the K4 hangs the lever a bit further forward on a seperate pivot.

maviczap 12-01-09 06:22 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero (Post 1742518)
I was thinking a faired with renthal handlebars...

ooooorrr

LSL

oh yum

I'll be going for nakid bars on my SVS when I do my front end conversion. Either I'm going to buy a top yoke with clamps for bars or modify an existing GSXR top yoke.

I was a bit worried that it might look a bit daft, but the evidence from the pointy picture seems to suggest it'll look ok.

Its the one thing I can't get on with the SVs is the bar position, gives me back ache and hand/wrist ache in a short spell. Spoils my riding experience :mad:

Anybody done this already :confused:

maviczap 12-01-09 06:24 PM

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Can anybody give me the height of the bar risers and the distance between them (centre to centre) on a naked curvy?

DarrenSV650S 12-01-09 06:38 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maviczap (Post 1742674)
I'll be going for nakid bars on my SVS when I do my front end conversion. Either I'm going to buy a top yoke with clamps for bars or modify an existing GSXR top yoke.

I was a bit worried that it might look a bit daft, but the evidence from the pointy picture seems to suggest it'll look ok.

Its the one thing I can't get on with the SVs is the bar position, gives me back ache and hand/wrist ache in a short spell. Spoils my riding experience :mad:

Anybody done this already :confused:

I've got a faired pointy with the gsxr front end. Have just put on LSL touring clip ons but won't be trying it out until the decent weather. Can get pics if you want

Stig 12-01-09 07:12 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 1742556)
So you reckon TSM's is a shining example to us all? :???:



But yes :twisted:

No because TSM's is a butchered faired bike not a naked with clip-ons. :wink:

maviczap 12-01-09 07:18 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenSV650S (Post 1742694)
I've got a faired pointy with the gsxr front end. Have just put on LSL touring clip ons but won't be trying it out until the decent weather. Can get pics if you want

Yep I would. How much were the LSL's and where from?

I've seen some other high rise clip ons and they've been mega expensive.

I've got helibars on my standard forks, better than standard clip ons, but still get the hand/wrist pain. I'm too old I'm afraid:(

Look forward to da pics

DarrenSV650S 12-01-09 07:33 PM

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Yep they are expensive. I got them from here

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...DSCF0004-5.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...DSCF0003-7.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...DSCF0002-9.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...DSCF0001-4.jpg

vzzzbuxt 12-01-09 07:37 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1742471)
I thought the fork angle was very slightly different on the N to the S - or was that the superior curvy model?

i thought the difference on the N and S curvys was the swingarm length, clocks/front fairings. rad's and the handlebars/risers??

maviczap 12-01-09 07:41 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Cheers.

They look good. Not as much as I thought they might be, I'd seen some other ones at over £250!

My GSXR front end is from an earlier model, which they don't list. But if the fork dimensions are similar then they should fit.

If not I'll stick with my original plan.

SoulKiss 12-01-09 08:30 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
I'll do a quick bit more work and put more overlay pics on - but it all seems to be the same

While I'm messing around with this, does someone want to look up the wheelbase stats for the K4+ N vs S ?

yorkie_chris 12-01-09 11:11 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maviczap (Post 1742772)
Cheers.

They look good. Not as much as I thought they might be, I'd seen some other ones at over £250!

My GSXR front end is from an earlier model, which they don't list. But if the fork dimensions are similar then they should fit.

If not I'll stick with my original plan.

What front end? TLS or VTR clipons fit pretty much all of them AFAIK. Double check though ;-) All it needs is for fork top diameter to be same and anything will fit.

(dw about locator tabs/bolts)

Skip 13-01-09 09:00 AM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vzzzbuxt (Post 1742769)
i thought the difference on the N and S curvys was the swingarm length, clocks/front fairings. rad's and the handlebars/risers??

Some quick googling makes me think I made that up and was thinking about the pegs being in different places - my bad! :oops:

maviczap 13-01-09 09:18 AM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 1742959)
What front end? TLS or VTR clipons fit pretty much all of them AFAIK. Double check though ;-) All it needs is for fork top diameter to be same and anything will fit.

(dw about locator tabs/bolts)

1991 or 1992 GSXR750L or M model. So pre SRAD, but upside down type. Still waiting for Postman Pat to deliver it, so I'm not sure of dimensions yet.

yorkie_chris 13-01-09 02:26 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
750L and M are same fork AFAIK, 50mm clip ons (54mm at bottom yoke). Check though because the 11 of same era is 52mm. You can tell them apart by length.

Why you go for slingshot instead of later stuff? Just cheap?

Edit: I could be talking utter $hite here. L/M would be 1990/91 not 91/92. 92 would be a WN.
Measure the fork uppers when you get em aye ;-)

maviczap 13-01-09 03:09 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 1743503)
750L and M are same fork AFAIK, 50mm clip ons (54mm at bottom yoke). Check though because the 11 of same era is 52mm. You can tell them apart by length.

Why you go for slingshot instead of later stuff? Just cheap?

Edit: I could be talking utter $hite here. L/M would be 1990/91 not 91/92. 92 would be a WN.
Measure the fork uppers when you get em aye ;-)

Yes, cheap enough, bought it complete forks, yokes, calipers, wheel, clip ons, brake reservior.

Would have liked a later model, but budgets won't allow. I've slipped it onto a different credit card, so it doesn't show up on the household bills :-$

As I understand it, it will all slip straight on as top bearing is the same as my 02 curvy

yorkie_chris 13-01-09 03:13 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
I think so but have not measured one so cannot say for sure. Compare the bearing i/d, o/d and stem lengths on both.

maviczap 13-01-09 03:24 PM

Re: SVN vs SVS bar position.
 
Aye I'll do this once P PAT has delivered it. Seller says will fit straight on


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