Woman Racers, Grid Girls, and feminists!
 

I wonder why there are no mainstream female racers.. is there a rule that says they cant race with the fellas? also why are there little or no black or middle eastern racers? maybe im over analysing? There is a female racer in the bsb 600 class and i think its great :)
motorcycle racing seems very... closed i guess is the word?

another thing is the view of grid girls by typical feminists... the general view is that they are dressed slutty for "Male" interest and they are basicaly basing there careers on there looks and body.. the question this particular feminist asked.. was "what happens when her looks run out"..
i say shed be rich enought to not give a crap.. i bet grid girls get paid a bucket load by sponsors.. i honestly think that feminists have it wrong.. like maybe its the girls who are the smart ones.. although maybe not so apparently sometimes, if i got offered to skimp up and hold an umbrella for a stack of cash.. pfft.. who wouldnt!!

http://www.visordown.com/news/images/1213/gp19.jpg

Mainstream Motorcycle racing is NOT male orientated these days.. its just that women dont do it.. and if they did i wouldnt get all arsey if she had a Grid Guy if that what the woman wanted..

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2...previaafh1.jpg

id love to see more women racers!! id love to see more grid girls!!

whoose with me!

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Mmmm rizla girls.

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I'm with ya Lylej... If a person is good enough to race and wants to - let 'em race.

As for gird girls (or guys for that matter), as with racing, surely it's their choice to do that if they wish and I think it should be up to the racer to decide if he/she wants a grid "person".

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There are some quick female racers at club level,and one or two will probably get up to international level eventually,but there are hundreds of talented riders of both sexes who all want a handfull of jobs.Id guess the girl who just won the national 125 series would be a good prospect for stardom???

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Grid girls (or at least the models that do the bike shows) dont actually get paid a huge amount

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More than the Dole though im sure ;) i bet the MotoGP ladys get a pretty penny :)

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It seems the difference between those that are good club racers and those that are international stage racers is as much to do with pushy parenting as anything else. Any interview with F1 or MotoGP or WSB level riders and drivers seems to indicate they were doing go-karts / junior kick start etc shortly after nappies. The folks that are on the international stage now are, eg. 20 something, which probably means their parents were born in 1960 something, which means their parents had 1960s values and were typically (although not always, naturally) pushing their kids into gender stereotyped actitivies.

As for ethnic minorities, racing in any form has historically been, and to a large extent continues to be, the domain of the rich. Even now, this will tend to prevent those in poorer families from fulfilling their dreams or getting pushed into their parents dreams - ethnic minorities and poorer families have historically been (recent history that is) and to a hopefully lesser but still significant degree are now, often synomonous.

EDIT: On grid girls and eye candy in motorcycles - perhaps I'm just too liberal and wishy washy but personally I find it a tad cringe-worthy. Draping a silicone amplified woman over a car ceased to be effective advertising long ago, but for bikes it still works? The only consolation is that the only industry which makes more use of skimpy clad models in advertising than bikes is the arms trade - it's very wierd, but arms fairs are full of models riding rockets.

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Melissa Paris was the first woman to qualify for a world super sport race at the weekend. Crashed though. She's a sponsor's dream if she can get half quick at that level. Easy on the eye too.

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seen worse...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3335/...84e4b5dc47.jpg

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I guess its just the male dominated markets. Personally any kind of marketing rubbish like that puts me off - i'm more concerned that the product is actually any good. Draping a model over it - well i'll enjoy the show, then go buy something that doesn't require a scantily dressed woman to sell it.

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I'm all for female racers - if they can do the lap times then they're worthy.

As for the grid girls, standards seem to vary wildly by event. I've seen some photos of the 'ladies' at Thruxton and half of them looked pretty average, the other half downright awful. :smt010

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I like the grid girls .... always worthy of a looksie :) and I'm a girlie .... not a lesbian btw !!

Some minging ones at Oulton this year tho :(

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Feminism? Sounds more like jealousy :-P

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There is no reason that women should not be represented in all sports at all levels. We have a world cup winning womens cricket team which got almost zero media/tv coverage, and yet the mens team loses over and over again to maximum publicity.

And what about disabled sport. Olympic coverage of 12 year old girls doing gymnastics gets on the BBC, but adult disabled athletes get shunted to midnight on BBC4 if they are lucky.

I don't have any answers as to how women can get better representation in sports, but i'd go as far as to say that being a brolly dolly isn't going to help them break through the glass ceiling.

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I think that the glamour models / grid girls etc must feel quite pressurised sometimes, to remain looking the way they do. It can't be good for you when you see other girls looking similar, or maybe better (as you may perceive it). Likewise, it must make you constantly aware of your body shape and image. I wonder what body image many of the girls have? It would have been interesting if Maria, during her dissertation, got the grid-girls to complete her questionairre regarding that topic :D

I personally am not bothered about the presence of the grid girls / promo girls at bike meets and race meets. I don't take much notice of them, but when I do i tend to see how other people are taking notice of them. Many people also dont seem to care, but there are a few that leer and stuff. I guess for the marketing firms trying to get rid of red bull etc, if the girls help shift a few items then its worth it :rolleyes:

As for girls in racing - what happened to katja poensgen? she won the world supermoto series, and was in 250cc gp's for a bit, but i guess a crap bike ment she faded from the limelight

And for culture and ethnicity....well, there is Sofuoglu, who is a Muslim Turk. Apprently, in his country, he became a sort of hero overnight once he won the world supersport championship, but he also has said that if you are not sucessfull, people dont want to know. Maybe this is true of some other eastern cultures and perhaps why those cultures dont find themselves more involved in the sport?

I've noticed quite alot at bike meets (boxhill, ace cafe, bury hill) that the vast vast majority of people who turn up are white, middle aged, english males. At the ace cafe you tend to get more of other ethnicities, but only then black english people, not any other ethnicities.

Odd that.

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Regarding grid girls - a lot of budding models actually do it for free in the hopes of the exposure it could offer.

Typical example of how to get into it - http://www.purestorm.com/forum/readT...aspx?id=115250

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True, certainly from my perspective, i would give anything for a body like that. :(

I bet most men would too! :smt049

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Seriously I don't really get the point of grid girls... I'm an 18 y/o heterosexual guy and I'm like just a bit "meh" about it..

maybe because I don't like all the whorish outfits and skanky, slutty scattered ass I see EVERYWHERE I go.. I enjoy a beautiful girl as much as the next guy but beauty can't be measured with make up and a skin tight Lycra suit covered in adverts for a tobbaco label.

I mean, a girl that just covers herself in 28 layers of makeup, in my eyes, looks worse than the naturally beautiful girl next door.

Anyway if I wanted to look at boobies I couldn't touch I'd be at home with a box of kleenex! I go/watch for the racing, at shows I go for the bikes, not for the women.. maybe that's cause I'm very sensible about it all... anyway....

rant over! :(

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Leave rizla+ alone, :p

You're complaining about the grid girls?
Please, why?

You sure about the hetrosexual bit? ;)
Only joking mate :)

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You know what annoys me a little bit...its when in MCN they have the annual MCN girls comp (how did grinch not get in?!) and they ask the girsl what bikes they like. Most say "sports bike". well narrow it down a bit luv! Do you like....SV650's? RSV's? NSR's? GSXR's? The red ones? The green ones?

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:p tis all good..

Cause most of them don't know an F4 Tamburini from a CG125.

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a what from a what? lol Only joking. :P

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Think the reason there are no girls in the higher racing classes is cash, simple as that. It take a fair bit of it at the lower levels (club racing) to start to get noticed and not too many sponsers take girls on bikes seriously untill its too late :(

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Funny :D

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I think it's more that basically there aren't generally any girls that are quick enough to warrant progression into the upper tiers. The sponsors would probably choose to invest in a girl rather than a young lad if they were of equal (fairly competitive) speed. In such a male dominated sport the girl and her sponsors are going to be guaranteed exposure that the young lad would not get.

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Those grid girls don't get much.

Feminists are usually huge, ugle, with warts on their faces. They are jealous, nothing more...

Theres a lass in the Superteens Aprillia racing..

In cars, theres a number of female racers doing not too badly. In fact I think one of them recorded her best result in US Indycar by coming 3rd the other week.

Motorcycle racing requires strength though, lots of it. Whilst i'd love to see a successful female motorcycle racer, I just can't see them cutting it at the very top level.

Same reasons why males are faster/stronger when it comes to athletics etc (before the women start whinging away). Its simple fact.

I'd like to see a female in F1, WSB etc, but at the moment I don't think they could cut it. I think women could get by in F1 much easier than they could in bike racing, less human physical effort is needed.

Reactions? Do men have quicker reactions to situations in terms of driving????

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Thats twice in a week you've taken Kleenex over real life women...

Dude, theres some issues there, there really is.....

Pit girls are good to look at whilst awaiting the impending storm of racing. Some are the racers gf/wives, some are just sponsers girls, some are trying to make a career for them. Its good viewing, whats the problem? Sex sells, end of story. Debate it all you want, but its fact.... Sex sells.... A racing team is a business there to make money.

Dude, your weird :lol:

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I take it you mean money? :p

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Back down to strength again isn't it really.

Men can throw the ball faster, harder, and hit it faster, harder...

Its the same with Football, our UK ladies team is far more successfull than the mens teams. But have you watched it? Its slower, sloppier, not as skillfull overally etc.. It really shows the difference when watching the male premireship.

Disagree about the Paralymics. I watch a lot of it on daytime TV, including an awful lot of Gold medals won by UK Paralymians and enjoyed it.

As said, im not against it all, im all for women getting more into motorsport, i've said it for years, but IMO these are the reasons.

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:winner:

I think this sums it up spot on.

Huge generalisations in that statement, I think someone is laying serious bait here!!;)

Yes motorcycle racing requires strength as it does being nippy and light, something that women are quite capable of as well!:rolleyes:

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Anna, come off it, i've never seen a Feminist who isn't some kinda strange weirdo person, who never listens to reason, only what they want to say, and everyone else is wrong. Women are undervalued blah blah..... Maybe in their lifes sure (hence why they are doing this for the "greater good of women"), but you don't hear those who are actually doing the jobs moaning about it. Feminists don't understand different people enjoy different things. Women don't HAVE to get into porn for example, but if they want to, they do it. Feminists go mental about it.... Why, none of their business what those or any women does.



Being nippy and light only helps if you have the strength. So whilst your 50kg frame maybe able to corner a bike at the apex 2-3mph faster, could your actual frame as a women be able to cope with stopping from 200mph lap after lap after lap? Can you honestly say you know of any women with half the skillset to be able to push the brakes just that little bit more to gain that place????? Its physical strength, and whilst I agree theres no reason why a lady couldn't improve these areas of strength, I personnally don't think they could cut it at the very top level in bike racing.....

Car racing, much easier, less movements. Fingers and toes. But as of yet there are no women who could compete at the top level, nor a few levels below it.

Im not being degrading to women, im mearly stating my own opinion fact. Just like its simple fact that men run faster than women, men are stronger than women etc..... Sure there are cases which would prove this wrong, but generally, on the whole, there is no way you can admit otherwise......

i.e, bench press record for a lady? And for a man?
100m Sprint record?
800m sprint record?

Etc etc etc.....

As said, before all the women hippies start complaining, i'd LIKE to see more women in motorsport, but we need a few more generations, ladies building the right muscles and working on the mental constraints (ironically i think women would find this part easier) to compete at the very top.

Flame and whinge all you want, thats what I think, and haven't been dis-proved yet...

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So you've never heard of Michele Mouton then...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mich%C3%A8le_Mouton

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Nope I haven't, but im deffo enjoying the read....... Rallycar stuff doesn't mpress me, 4wd owned the world despite reliability issues.

However, to win the Pikes Peak does impress me :D



Rallyings not my thing tbh... But then again, its cars, they are easy ;)

I can see this becoming a huge whinge fight now :lol:

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Originally Posted by Daimo (Post 1929442) Anna, come off it, I’ve never seen a Feminist who isn't some kinda strange weirdo person, who never listens to reason, only what they want to say, and everyone else is wrong.

As I said this is a huge generalisation.

Without the Feminist movement there is a lot that wouldnt have changed for women, i.e.; voting, abortion rights etc. I am sure you have heard it all before but it is recent history 60 years since these things changed.

I would say that Grid girls, or girls in mags aren´t degrading or in any way against what the feminist movement stands for.

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Originally Posted by Daimo (Post 1929442) Being nippy and light only helps if you have the strength. So whilst your 50kg frame maybe able to corner a bike at the apex 2-3mph faster, could your actual frame as a women be able to cope with stopping from 200mph lap after lap after lap?

So take Rossi... his light frame of 78KG is SO much heavier and able to cope then a lighter 50Kg frame with muscle built on top?

As said before there are much more likely reasons for females not being in the top leagues, nothing to do with talent.

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Originally Posted by Daimo (Post 1929442) As said, before all the women hippies start complaining, i'd LIKE to see more women in motorsport, but we need a few more generations, ladies building the right muscles and working on the mental constraints (ironically i think women would find this part easier) to compete at the very top.

I absolutely agree that in a few more generations I think we will start to see female riders coming into the sport at higher levels, and being able to get bigger sponsorship deals.

I am not flaming you or whinging at you... the last time I checked this was a discussion ;)

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There was a woman in 125 GP's a few years back.
Sammi Tasker is racing up here in the 125's in Scotland.
Anita Buxton, Maria Costello, etc race at NW200 and Isle of Man.
I remember a couple of years ago there was an all female team at Le Mans 24.
But...many, many years ago (1982? maybe) when women racing was almost non-existant (maybe Hilary Musson was racing the TT back then?) I remember being down at the Bol d'Or at Paul Ricard and reading in the programme there was a woman racing in one of the teams! Oh! the excitement! Practically unheard of! Then I saw her. An ex-man from Holland. Six foot, strapping he-she! .....so disappointed!

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For the original post or because we kicked the sh!t out of Toyplop..? ;) :lol:

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I was expecting an on-slaught from the female members :lol:

Agreed about feminists, was a sweeping statement.. You know the types I mean ;)

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if the ladies can get competitive in racing then i for one would love to see them on bsb,wsb,wss,gp grid i don't see the problem tbh.

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fair's fair, given that most misogynists' knuckles drag on the floor and they can't string a sentence together ;)