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SVStorm 18-08-09 08:56 PM

Go easy on us newbies on the road.
 
Was out on my second day of riding after passing my test. Decided to give traffic enough time to clear off before going out. Had a lovely ride out and about until i was almost home. A tight and tricky left turn from a major into a minor road. Took a long look behind me and saw come cars coming up behind me in the distance (i still had loads of room to slow down). As I make the turn from behind me comes a bike and an audi A3 who appeared to be having a race around the corner and around me. Scared the **** out of me, forced me slightly wide on the turn but still well inside my lane. Bike went round OUTSIDE of me in the in the corner and pulled a willie as he raced past followed shortly by the Audi.

My opinion is that these 2 racing was a bad idea and surely the fact that I had a high vis vest on and was taking the corner slowly would have given atleast the biker the sense to realise I was new to this??? Am I wrong??

speedplay 18-08-09 08:58 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
nope, if the guys a kn0b he wont care anyway.

yorkie_chris 18-08-09 08:59 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Nah, you get plenty captain sensible types with the hi-vi of invulnerability on plodding around very slowly.

Racing past people, yeah a bit inconsiderate. But him going around the outside of you in a corner is not too bad.

Spiderman 18-08-09 09:00 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Yes, i know peeps who have riden for a few years, wear a hi vis and corner badly, lol.
I know how you feel tho mate, we all been there. Keep checking your mirrors is the secret..that way nutters like these wont be such a shock to you.

Your road positioning too makes a huge difference, ride with a defensive position and make you bike 8 feet wode and they wont do that to you... not round corners anyway.

Was the wheelie any good tho? ;)

IrishRob 18-08-09 09:00 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
I was in front of SVStorm at the time, this was going to be my opening gambit of a post but figured that my first post shouldn't involve quite as much swearing as I was thinking. Seriously - I have never seen riding like that, ever!!!

fizzwheel 18-08-09 09:05 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Some people are just tw*ts no matter what you do or are doing they'll behave in an inconsiderate manner, whether on a bike or not, a moron is always a moron.

Just remember to always expect the unexpected, you made it round the corner and have come away unscathed, sounds like you kept calm and didnt loose your rag over it, which is the correct thing to do.

Ignore them and let them get on with it and keep safely out of harms way with people like that IMHO.

fizzwheel 18-08-09 09:06 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishRob (Post 2008627)
I have never seen riding like that, ever!!!

I have, like I said some people are just tw*ts...

Spiderman 18-08-09 09:08 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Used to be this guy on a 998 on my morning commute into work. He'd wheelie off every set of lights and do a rolling stoppie to sop for the next set :lol:
He was nuts but also very skillfull. I'd keep up with him for most of the way and give him the thumbs up now and again. Sometimes nutters make the journet a bit more of a laugh.

Sometimes.

speedplay 18-08-09 09:10 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Nice avoidance of the swear filter there fizz...;)

IrishRob 18-08-09 09:12 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Trust me, this was a whole new level of ****ism!!! This was not a case of a newbie getting bullied, this was sheer, utter stupidity from someone on a death wish: Turning into a farming road as sun is going down, flat out, during harvest time.

yorkie_chris 18-08-09 09:14 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
So what are you gaining from getting annoyed about it exactly? You don't know who they were, what they were on, where they are from. You were just in the way, so chill winston.

Spiderman 18-08-09 09:17 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
might have been one of the princes trying their best to outrun their undercover protection team...just for a giggle. Who knows.

davepreston 18-08-09 09:54 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishRob (Post 2008645)
Trust me, this was a whole new level of ****ism!!! This was not a case of a newbie getting bullied, this was sheer, utter stupidity from someone on a death wish: Turning into a farming road as sun is going down, flat out, during harvest time.

dont sweat it lads one day you see said tw*t or another such muppet in the hedge around a corner youve just taken at a normal speed, all you can do and its a org moto is ride for yourself, if they want to bin there bike let them if they make you bin your bike ,kill them
simples

petevtwin650 18-08-09 10:06 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SVStorm (Post 2008617)
My opinion is that these 2 racing was a bad idea and surely the fact that I had a high vis vest on and was taking the corner slowly would have given atleast the biker the sense to realise I was new to this??? Am I wrong??

If they came around the corner so quickly they would not, perhaps, have had time to judge your turning speed. I'm afraid this sort of behaviour from other road users will happen all to often. Your instructor might well have protected you from some of it in the past.

Just ride for yourself but command the road and don't panic. Not easy I know, but it will get easier as you pile on the miles.

petevtwin650 18-08-09 10:15 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishRob (Post 2008645)
Trust me, this was a whole new level of ****ism!!! This was not a case of a newbie getting bullied, this was sheer, utter stupidity from someone on a death wish: Turning into a farming road as sun is going down, flat out, during harvest time.

I can only assume you've not been riding very long Rob. It's a generalisation but almost any Gixer rider rides like that and ZX10 rider too. Just let them get on their way. To be honest, if it was outside of Rugby I'd have probably done the same thing, minus the wheelie as I can't do em.

Ed 18-08-09 10:15 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Don't ride in the gutter. Make sure that you're where others can see you and would expect you to be. I think this is what Pete is saying. I occasionally see bikes very close to the kerb - it's obvious that they're noobs. You're not keeping out the way, you're allowing yourself to be intimidated. It does no good. Maintain a sensible position, I say.

Lozzo 18-08-09 10:21 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SVStorm (Post 2008617)
Bike went round OUTSIDE of me in the in the corner and pulled a willie as he raced past followed shortly by the Audi.

Blimey - it takes utter desperation and shedloads of skill to pull someone's throbbing member while racing an Audi. Kudos to the rider involved

yorkie_chris 18-08-09 10:24 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petevtwin650 (Post 2008751)
It's a generalisation but almost any Gixer rider rides like that and ZX10 rider too.

Any who appreciate what sort of bike they've got. Most sportsbikes I've seen about have been fairly sedate with just the odd competent person, or total nutter, aboard.

mr.anderson 18-08-09 10:41 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
I cant explain the confidence I gained in my first year's riding.

What seems ridiculous to you now will seem fairly average 2 years time.

All I can say is appreciate how it made you feel and remember that when it comes to buzzing the same road with a newbie on it who feels the same as you. Not for the newbie's sake, but for you keeping it shiny side up.

Lozzo 18-08-09 10:57 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petevtwin650 (Post 2008751)
I can only assume you've not been riding very long Rob. It's a generalisation but almost any Gixer rider rides like that.

You've been to a GixerJunkies red flag fest/trackday as well?

monkey 19-08-09 12:15 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Try and forget what happened. As others have said there are divvy bikers as well as other divvy's out there. We've probably all had a few moments. There will be many times the amount of good times too.

Welcome to biking! You'll love it here.
:)

IrishRob 19-08-09 11:32 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petevtwin650 (Post 2008740)
If they came around the corner so quickly they would not, perhaps, have had time to judge your turning speed. I'm afraid this sort of behaviour from other road users will happen all to often. Your instructor might well have protected you from some of it in the past.

Just ride for yourself but command the road and don't panic. Not easy I know, but it will get easier as you pile on the miles.

The approach to the corner is fully open and is visible from 1/2 mile away. When herself was learning we went out for many miles together and I made sure to let a few cars between us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by petevtwin650 (Post 2008751)
I can only assume you've not been riding very long Rob. It's a generalisation but almost any Gixer rider rides like that and ZX10 rider too. Just let them get on their way. To be honest, if it was outside of Rugby I'd have probably done the same thing, minus the wheelie as I can't do em.

20k miles in 3.5 years on a 600-4, so not exactly green (Kwak is blue ;)). I give my bike the berries when I can but there is a time and a place for everything. This could have happened to anyone, regardless of experience, and it would have scared them. The point about SVStorm being a Newbie just made a monumentally stupid bit of riding even worse.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed (Post 2008753)
Don't ride in the gutter. Make sure that you're where others can see you and would expect you to be. I think this is what Pete is saying. I occasionally see bikes very close to the kerb - it's obvious that they're noobs. You're not keeping out the way, you're allowing yourself to be intimidated. It does no good. Maintain a sensible position, I say.

Fortunately she has a brilliant attitude to road position and doesn't ride in the gutter.

Geoffrey 20-08-09 05:42 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SVStorm (Post 2008617)
Was out on my second day of riding after passing my test. Decided to give traffic enough time to clear off before going out. Had a lovely ride out and about until i was almost home. A tight and tricky left turn from a major into a minor road. Took a long look behind me and saw come cars coming up behind me in the distance (i still had loads of room to slow down). As I make the turn from behind me comes a bike and an audi A3 who appeared to be having a race around the corner and around me. Scared the **** out of me, forced me slightly wide on the turn but still well inside my lane. Bike went round OUTSIDE of me in the in the corner and pulled a willie as he raced past followed shortly by the Audi.

My opinion is that these 2 racing was a bad idea and surely the fact that I had a high vis vest on and was taking the corner slowly would have given atleast the biker the sense to realise I was new to this??? Am I wrong??

the roads are full of idiots who have no thought for others

Viney 20-08-09 07:48 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishRob (Post 2008627)
I was in front of SVStorm at the time, this was going to be my opening gambit of a post but figured that my first post shouldn't involve quite as much swearing as I was thinking. Seriously - I have never seen riding like that, ever!!!

Come to London. You'll see all sorts. Just check out my 'Riding like tits' Thread.

Irksy 20-08-09 08:07 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davepreston (Post 2008719)
dont sweat it lads one day you see said tw*t or another such muppet in the hedge around a corner youve just taken at a normal speed, all you can do and its a org moto is ride for yourself, if they want to bin there bike let them if they make you bin your bike ,kill them
simples

Will you stop having a dig at me!!! Just cause you cant keep up!! :laughat:

plowsie 20-08-09 08:21 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road.
 
Sounds fun to me :twisted:

Speedy Claire 20-08-09 08:22 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road.
 
Maybe you could have a green L printed onto the back of your Hi Vis vest until you feel confident enough?

If they have them for cars why can`t it be utilised for bikes?

I agree it must have been nerve racking but like the others agree that you`ll get people riding like tits all the time. Try not to let it put you off and I feel that the more you keep thinking about this incident it will grow in your mind into a major drama and could seriously damage your confidence.

Don`t give the tossers any more of your mental energy, move on from it and carry on enjoying yourself.

AndyW 20-08-09 08:58 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road.
 
If your feeling rich, get a Hein Gerich luminous jacket. Bears a striking resemblence to a police one from a distance, so people tend to approach more cautiously. Other than that, just need to get used to people thinking they can cut you up where/whenever they feel like it.

petevtwin650 20-08-09 09:04 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishRob (Post 2009150)
20k miles in 3.5 years on a 600-4, so not exactly green (Kwak is blue ;)). I give my bike the berries when I can but there is a time and a place for everything. This could have happened to anyone, regardless of experience, and it would have scared them. The point about SVStorm being a Newbie just made a monumentally stupid bit of riding even worse.

Well as you've got some serious miles under your tyres Rob, I can only assume it's the company I keep that brings out the worst in other bikers.

yorkie_chris 20-08-09 11:11 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petevtwin650 (Post 2010063)
Well as you've got some serious miles under your tyres Rob, I can only assume it's the company I keep that brings out the worst in other bikers.

:smt116

SVStorm 20-08-09 09:56 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road.
 
Thanks for all the replies and advise and I will not let this get me down. I came away with it no damage to me or my bike. I know I will still have alot of learning to do and each time I go out I am going to experience different things and the best thing is to learn from those and this will make me a better/safe rider. Not pushing the limits at all just going at my own pace :) thanks for sharing all your comments :)

Dangerous Dave 21-08-09 04:18 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road.
 
Most important thing to do is stay calm, don't let them (even if they are your best mates) drag you into something above your capabilities.

Stay within you limits and keep going, experience far out ways anything on the roads.

MattCollins 22-08-09 05:15 AM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy Claire (Post 2010004)
Maybe you could have a green L printed onto the back of your Hi Vis vest until you feel confident enough?

L-Plates are bad enough. With the mindset of motorists these days, I'd be afraid that would be an open invitation to do something silly.

Cheers

SVStorm 22-08-09 07:21 PM

Re: Go easy on us newbies on the road.
 
Did the same route this morning and same corner no issues :) Took it much better then before so guess that experiences like this are good for the learning process as it helps you gain more confidence and i would rather learn from idiots like this putting me in a situation where I have not been hurt or damaged my bike. This experience has actually built my confidence so all good :)


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