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barwel1992 16-03-10 01:08 AM
X-Ring gold chain ?
 
is this kit and good price? link

chain dosent "seem" to need doing at the moment apart from it just constantly rusts up even when soaked in lube and is starting to look asthogh the rust is realy eating in to it and dont want it snaping on me ohh its a OEM chain btw and has been riden quite hard :rolleyes: so was looking at somthing a bit more substantial, for when the time come

Ta lad's and lasse's :smt003

sv650k4 16-03-10 01:27 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Try B&C express ya will probley get better quality of them not sure on price tho.

Spanner Man 16-03-10 07:17 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Good morning all.


What's a little worrying is that they don't state the manufacturer of the chain, or its grade.
There's some right old tosh out there, that may be gold & have X rings, but has the tensile strength of knicker elastic.

As said, try B&C Express.


Cheers.

Alpinestarhero 16-03-10 07:19 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barwel1992 (Post 2212575)
is this kit and good price? link

chain dosent "seem" to need doing at the moment apart from it just constantly rusts up even when soaked in lube and is starting to look asthogh the rust is realy eating in to it and dont want it snaping on me ohh its a OEM chain btw and has been riden quite hard :rolleyes: so was looking at somthing a bit more substantial, for when the time come

Ta lad's and lasse's :smt003
My cahin constantly rusts up aswell, and I clean and lube regularly :( my dad's colleuge had the same problem with his (OEM suzuki) chain and just coated the side plates with grease, and kept the rollers lubed with engine oil

barwel1992 16-03-10 10:17 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
cheers lads will have a look at B&C chains :)

A*hero i might give that ago when i get my abba stand adapter kit (lost my old ones) will clean the chain and grease the sides and use castrol chain wax on the rolers

Drew Carey 16-03-10 11:03 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Barwel, on Ebay, try this....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SV650S-SV650-S...item4cee2b7ae8

Its the ebay site for DK Motorcycles. I had this kit on the SV and was great. Plus saves you a few notes on the one you posted.

If you are after better qulaity chain, then try Tsubaki (Is that spelt right?!?!?!) lol. As I know Spannerman and others have said they are better quality.

Drew Carey 16-03-10 11:05 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Doh.....just noticed you put "Gold". Are you specifically after a Gold chain? If not, then the one I posted is fine. If yes.....please ignore said post!!! :D

barwel1992 16-03-10 11:12 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
lmao no not after gold :P

this is the same i think but for a Naked LINK

cheers Drew will look at that as well, at least i will have some spare cash to get it fitted

Drew Carey 16-03-10 11:14 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
As for getting it fitted, with the spare £20, buy yourself a chain reviter and do it yourself. Really rewarding I found. Plus, gives you the chance to clean all the back wheel and swingarm properly whilst its all off. Just a thought

barwel1992 16-03-10 11:40 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
there is that, but i found doing it on push bikes in a real pain in the ass, plus dont i need a impact wrench for the front sprocket ? or just put it in gear ?

Drew Carey 16-03-10 11:57 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
I didn't need one. Just simply put a block of wood in the rear wheel and someone on the fron brake. Then just used a breaker bar. Was tight, but just eased it gently.

As for the riveting itself. It was actually quite simple, but is easier if you get a mate to help you. But all I did was hacksaw through the old chain, remove it, do front sprocket nut, remove rear sprocket, clean wheel / swingarm, put on new rear sprocket....then do the riveting. The DID link (I imagine its the same with others).....consists of

Blanking plate, a plate with two pins attached, some X-Rings (little rubber seals) and some chain grease.

1. Apply Grease.
2. Place X-Rings as shown on to the two pins.
3. Place two pins through two end links on the chains.
4. Put chain through riveter and use one side of the tool to compress the plate onto the pins.
5. Switch rivter bit round, then using the "prod", wind into the end of each pin.

As you wind it in, it expands the end of the pin thus securing it. Do it with very small turns at a time, checking the movement each time. Do not do it up to tight / not enough.....common sense prevails!!!!

Thats how I remember us doing it.....but if I have done any of that wrong I'm sure someone else will come along and put me right. Took us about 2 hours, taking our time, procrastinating, checking etc. But worth it.

barwel1992 16-03-10 01:10 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
hmm ok seem's quite simple rely, apart from one bit what happens if i go to tight with the rivet ?

Drew Carey 16-03-10 01:32 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Well, not sure, but if you take your time then shouldn't be a problem.

rowdy 16-03-10 02:54 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew Carey (Post 2212881)
I didn't need one. Just simply put a block of wood in the rear wheel and someone on the fron brake. Then just used a breaker bar. Was tight, but just eased it gently.

As for the riveting itself. It was actually quite simple, but is easier if you get a mate to help you. But all I did was hacksaw through the old chain, remove it, do front sprocket nut, remove rear sprocket, clean wheel / swingarm, put on new rear sprocket....then do the riveting. The DID link (I imagine its the same with others).....consists of

Blanking plate, a plate with two pins attached, some X-Rings (little rubber seals) and some chain grease.

1. Apply Grease.
2. Place X-Rings as shown on to the two pins.
3. Place two pins through two end links on the chains.
4. Put chain through riveter and use one side of the tool to compress the plate onto the pins.
5. Switch rivter bit round, then using the "prod", wind into the end of each pin.

As you wind it in, it expands the end of the pin thus securing it. Do it with very small turns at a time, checking the movement each time. Do not do it up to tight / not enough.....common sense prevails!!!!

Thats how I remember us doing it.....but if I have done any of that wrong I'm sure someone else will come along and put me right. Took us about 2 hours, taking our time, procrastinating, checking etc. But worth it.
Yeah that, but undo the front sprocket nut before you cut the chain (I'm a lazy b*stard, I use angle grinder on chain)
Can be done without riviter tool, I use a punch and hammer to spread the end of the pin, proper tool would be better though.

barwel1992 16-03-10 03:19 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
ok whats a good chain tool?

dyzio 16-03-10 03:24 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Is it just me or is that shop really cheap?

Drew Carey 16-03-10 07:04 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
The chain riveter I used is this one......

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Motorcycle-Cha...item4cee2cfbb2

Borrowed one from a mate.

Spikenipple 16-03-10 10:40 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
http://www.slatersbikes.co.uk/index....ug=clear&p1=39

Here you go. Tsubaki top-end X-ring chain, Renthal hard anodised sprockets for £92 before postage. Cheapest price you'll find online for that kit, it's usually around £120.

Lozzo 16-03-10 11:14 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew Carey (Post 2213447)
The chain riveter I used is this one......

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Motorcycle-Cha...item4cee2cfbb2

Borrowed one from a mate.
I've got exactly the same one, a direct and blatant copy of the original DID tool which is fabled in the bike trade. I bought two spare pins with mine about 7 years ago, the spare pins are still sitting in the box unused and I've done about 20 or 30 chains a year with that tool.

I'd say it's as good as the DID tool that costs 5 times as much, I think mine cost about 30 quid when I got it.

barwel1992 17-03-10 12:36 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
^ well i dont suspect i will be doing any where near that may chains :D but at least i know its good quality

now im throwing this out there because in dont fancy having the chain snap or fly off, what are the real do's and dont's when fitting the chain. Also there is one detail im still not sure on, how do you tell if the link is riveted enough EG not to tight and not to lose, i know how to do it for a push bike but you can adjust the pins on a push bike chain

:D

dyzio 17-03-10 08:24 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew Carey (Post 2213447)
The chain riveter I used is this one......

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Motorcycle-Cha...item4cee2cfbb2

Borrowed one from a mate.
Any idea if this can do different types of links?
I mean these ones
http://www.moto-racing.co.uk/ccp51/m...LINK%20ZVM.jpg

and the ones with the solid pins like Tsubaki uses?

Cheers

Drew Carey 17-03-10 08:29 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Yup, as that is the type of link I used and explained in my breakdown.

Edit - let me expand. Yes, as that is the type of link it is designed for. You have a bit, which has two parts, it has a "spike" on one end and then a hole on the other end. You use the hole end first of all to press the plate into place. The "hole" goes over the rivet of the pin which is already on the link, thus giving you good control. You then wind up the riveter until the plate pops into place. The top part of the pin being made out of a softer metal.

Then, you flip the riveter around.....and the tool, then tighten using the "spike" into the top of the pin. This expands the metal. Job done.

I think thats how I remember it. As I said, borrowed off someone on here, so don't have instructions to hand.

Just remember to lube up the rings before putting it all together.

Drew Carey 17-03-10 08:33 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barwel1992 (Post 2213868)
^ well i dont suspect i will be doing any where near that may chains :D but at least i know its good quality

now im throwing this out there because in dont fancy having the chain snap or fly off, what are the real do's and dont's when fitting the chain. Also there is one detail im still not sure on, how do you tell if the link is riveted enough EG not to tight and not to lose, i know how to do it for a push bike but you can adjust the pins on a push bike chain

:D
Put it this way, we riveted my chain until the point when it started to become stiff to move the link. Any more and the link would not move. We then got loads of lube in there and worked it (oh er matron :D.....sorry.....wierd mood today) that freed up the link enough to allow it to move. That way, we knew it couldn't be done up any tighter and so therefore must be done up fine.

If that makes sense?!?!?!?

Sid Squid 17-03-10 09:28 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Measure the width of the chain links with a vernier or similar - reproduce this measurement on the rivet link.

barwel1992 17-03-10 12:16 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sid Squid (Post 2214037)
Measure the width of the chain links with a vernier or similar - reproduce this measurement on the rivet link.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew Carey (Post 2213975)
Put it this way, we riveted my chain until the point when it started to become stiff to move the link. Any more and the link would not move. We then got loads of lube in there and worked it (oh er matron :D.....sorry.....wierd mood today) that freed up the link enough to allow it to move. That way, we knew it couldn't be done up any tighter and so therefore must be done up fine.

If that makes sense?!?!?!?
exactly the info i was looking for cheers lads, looks like i wont be buying windows 7 after all :P would rather a new chain any way

Drew Carey 17-03-10 12:19 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
I think it is deffo something that is worth doing yourself, the cost to get one fitted is the same (near me it is) as to buy the kit.......so worth it, as every time after you are saving money. The reviter will, like Lozzo says, last years.

Just make sure you write out exactly what has been done, with receipts etc attached to go with the service history.

barwel1992 17-03-10 12:57 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
^ good point on the service thing, i will do that for the other bits im doing at the moment EG oil change oil filter air filter brake fluid

Drew Carey 17-03-10 01:07 PM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barwel1992 (Post 2214312)
^ good point on the service thing, i will do that for the other bits im doing at the moment EG oil change oil filter air filter brake fluid
What I did was a spreadsheet with all the manual and Haines manual service items listed. Then as I've gone through it I have ticked them and made notes etc. Then with that are all the receipts to back it up.

barwel1992 18-03-10 01:01 AM
Re: X-Ring gold chain ?
 
^ cool another good idea :D shame i dont have a haynes lol


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