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just a few pics from this week

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...2/DSC_0247.jpg

moi with the helmet on gf taking photos
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...2/DSC_0244.jpg

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...2/DSC_0243.jpg

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...2/DSC_0238.jpg

moi
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...adbikingME.jpg

on the way down, this hill was seriously steep, dosn't look like it in the photo but it was steep enough for me to not be able to get up even in low range
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...992/MEquad.jpg

didn't get many photos because i couldn't be bothered to stop lol

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Stunning photo with the rainbow!
Well done!

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Looks like you had fun mate :) i agree with bill stunning rainbow pic dan

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Where was this dan ?
Your quad probably isn't geared for steep terrain, I went quad biking at a place by Neath in s/ Wales and the Honda quads would breeze up any hill without trying, they were so torquey, they just didn't stop .
Good pics btw

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Good pics, looks bleedy cold

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What do you mean when you say it wouldn't get up the hill. Lack of power or lack of traction?

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its an CVT auto, i think the belt was slipping going to look at it and see what was up with it. its a 320cc single, but i think its still party restricted going to have a tinker when i look at the belt.

it was getting up the hill fine but then the belt would slip and the engine would bog down, i dont know.. it has some problem some where just not sure where yet lol

cheers for the comments, the photo's were taken by the GF using a nikon d5000 with kit lens

PS i would rather a geared quad but mum n dad want the ease of auto

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it was llangollen

the quad should get up in low range but as per previous post something is up with it

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Was they legal lanes, private land, trespassing ??

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legal lanes, some of the off bits that were off the legal lanes were very rough lol

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Thats Llangollen added to my list of places to terrorise next year :thumright:

Give me about 2 months (at least because i'm useless) to get my brothers old DT125 ready for greenlaning and then give us a shout if you fancy going again. I ride badly, but I'm an expert crasher :)

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Im gonna be organising a dirt bike camping / riding weekend next year in wales so make sure you consider that also :)

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LOL, im one of them expert crasher's as well :D

should be going again not sure when though :)

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dirty weekend away woohoo :cool:

Thats ok like I say wont be ready for a while, decided against getting my CR125 road worthy seeing as its been race tuned and will no doubt blow up on the way there :o so its my brothers old Yam that hasnt moved since 1991! Thatll be getting all the abuse. 1st problem, ask him has he seen the key? Yep....about 15 years ago ](*,)

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Your halfway between me and Phil so we often meet around your area (Long Itch Cafe) to go laning. There's a few lanes south of Daventry that Phil has never tried yet. We'll give you a shout if we are going over that way.

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Was gonna say that looks like Llangollen, I got lost round there last summer and a kind farmer help me out.

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haha ohh well at that age shouldn't be that hard to hot wire :p

cool was going to look for some around hear

i got lost as well up the top of the 'hill' in dense fog couldn't find the bloody signs as they had all gone missing so had to use the good old google maps on my phone :rolleyes: that sort of worked

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I am a little confused. They were 'legal' lanes but you are not 'cough* legally * cough' riding the quad?

Dont you need to be fully insured etc to ride on 'legal' lanes?

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Yes. Byways, unclassified roads, whatever you call them, have the same legal requirement.
Riding on private land with landowners permission is ok, but even that has an enforceable duty of care against the landowner.

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yes hence why i stuck to the muddy stuf where there were no other people and got picked up at each end, the quad is registered and insured but not for me. with the amount of non road legal crossers up there i was one in a million and never went on the proper main roads.

^ that

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I mainly asked in the hope that it was on private land with permission.

Thats ok then :rolleyes:

I wont waste my breath trying to explain why thats a dumb attitude.

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Yeah you'd probably do well to keep your mouth shut about that on public forum

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I'm not going to be too judgemental about it, because I can't say that I didn't do much worse when I was his age. I didn't have much respect for the law in my teens and early twenties. Motoring offences only became a crime when you got caught.

Nowadays I prefer to stay legal, partially because nowadays the authorities are much less tolerant, so you can't look at a copper with big puppy eyes and get let off with a bollocking, a lecture and a quiet word with your Dad as used to happen to me. And because unless we stay legal, and respect the countryside, the landowners, and other users such as walkers, horse riders, etc, we are going to be legislated against until legal green laning with a motor vehicle no longer exists.

The saving grace for Barwel is that he was on a registered and taxed quad, so to other users of those trails he would have looked like a legal green laner, even though he doesn't actually have the correct paperwork.

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A couple of reasons why I've not got into greenlaning before now is because of not having the right bike but also lack of local places to do it legally. With my job I cant really afford to be getting pulled by the fuzz (it hurts) so i'm going to make sure my bike is legit and I know for a fact the route im on im allowed to be there

A little offputting for me is the attitude of walkers (I can appreciate they came to the countryside for peace and quiet and fresh air - not the rasp and smell of a 2 stroke :p) but even on legal trails they still have a go at bikers for 'destroying' the place :rolleyes: I know because my uncle is 1 such wazzock. Throw in arsey farmers locking gates across legal paths and then stories like this 1 locally

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1452535.ece

and up until now I've stuck with the prejudices I get against for me being a road rider. Less hassle!

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:winner:

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There's not much you can do with walkers as there are so many of them. Just slow down, lift your visor and give a gracious nod and wave as pass with a wide berth. If you encounter them when stopped, chat and be friendly. The more they realise that the bike was actually ridden by a nice bloke not a hooligan, the less strongly they object. If you get any remarks or questions, just show them the map and explain nicely the difference between a byway, a bridleway and a footpath, explaining that if they want to avoid vehicles, they'd be best to avoid byways. There are many more footpaths and bridleways available to them, than there are byways available to vehicles. A lot of the objections come through ignorance, they see a motor vehicle on a muddy track and assume though ignorance that it's illegal. They don't see it very often, therefore they think it shouldn't be there. Walkers like byways because they are wide and often with a lesser gradient, but then because they want to walk them they don't like them getting all torn up and muddy.

With horses I always stop and kill the engine until they have passed, and have a chat if the rider stops as well. Most horse riders like that and go home with an improved perception of trail riders. They are not as bad as walkers because they can't use footpaths, so they have to understand rights of way and where they are, and they are more inclined to see that you are doing exactly the same as them, but you are using a metal horse with an engine. Understandably, they don't like loud exhausts and fast bikes scaring the horses.

Farmers I have little sympathy for if you stick to public rights of way. They know where these rights of way are and they know who is allowed to use them, but they still lock gates and create obstructions. Tractors actually do a lot more damage to these routes than motorbikes or 4x4. I'd understand if a gate was locked when there are livestock in the field, as I would rarely cross a field with livestock in, unless they were gathered on the opposite side of the field. I don't think many hooligans go to the countryside to ride around ripping up crops and scaring animals. It's just a case of "Gerrof my land" with most of them. By and large in Northants though I've found farmers to be quite friendly and wave. If I do come across an farmer who seems upset just by my being there, I'll lift my visor or take my helmet off and engage them in conversation, it tends to take the tension out of the situation. Sometimes you have no chance to let them see there's a human being on the bike, like the one who threw a metal footpump at Specialone in Shropshire.

The more people realise that we are just out there enjoying the countryside the same as them, and actually we are not doing anybody any harm, the better.

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That just about sums it up. Sounds like you've got the right approach though Ralph. I plan on smiling politely and explaining what i'm doing is no more illegal than them being allowed out with that face :) like to think i'm a patient man but if someone threw that at me they'd be getting it shoved up their **** as payback :o

Are you a member of the TRF? If so would you recommend joining?

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You cant win though it pays to continually try.
My group came across a lady with a sprained ankle on a remote lane, offered assistance but she declined. When they returned some time later she was still there, but now in pain. They could not move her, so called the emergency services, and to cut a long story short RV'd with the helicopter, and carried her into it. Without them she would have been there all night with no phone, unsuitable clothes, probably until discovered.
Guess what, she reckons her injury was due to the ruts from motorcycles. Grrr.

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Wish I'd realised at the time cos I may have done something similar.

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](*,) people like that should be seen and not heard. And when I say seen, preferably through the scope of a sniper rifle

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Yes I am, and I'd reccomend it. Even if you take no part in the club meets, rideouts, its worth it for the backing of the fellowship should you have legal issues - they will represent you.

EDIT: By legal issues I refer to problems encountered from green lane activities, assuming you are in the right of course

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He might have got it shoved up his ar$e if we had realised at the time he'd done it. Specialone thought he'd dropped it and took avoiding action. Only on the bike cam afterwards we saw it was thrown. The video is in the Madlaners thread in the Madlanders section.

I'm not in the TRF and never been to a meeting or ridden with them, I couldn't make a recommendation or otherwise.

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:thumleft: thanks for that, i'll give it a look then. As long as theres local(ish) rides near me i'd be up for that

Sorry for being a noob to all this but could someone help me. Ive looked on trailwise and found this

http://i55.tinypic.com/m8o0h3.jpg

Wholesome lane which looks ok to go down although not a solid line the whole way

If you look on google streetview here and drop the man on the corner of wholesome and long meanygate :lol: and zoom in on wholesome theres a sign saying private road locked gate 500yds
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...229.34,,2,2.52

Confused :confused: is it not a through road the whole way?

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Double click on the two tracks for more details. if they have different reference numbers, individual start and end co-ordinates, then assume it is a broken track. Can you find the definitive map for the area?

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Do you adhere to the TRF's 16MPH speed limit too then...?

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Yep just looked, 2 different UIDs :rolleyes: so thats that 1 out the window

I wont be able to get the more detailed map until I join 1 of the bodies, like TRF

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Rubbish.


Its all on here:- http://www.trailwise.org.uk/gmaps/gmap.htm


There is even the status of the trails, closures etc on there too if you look for them.

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Definitive map is available to anybody. Check with your council to see where it is kept.

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http://www.wigan.gov.uk/Services/Get...Statements.htm

http://www.sefton.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=3168

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:smt102 thanks but thats where i've been looking, keeps coming up with the same crap about registered users see more detail. Not sure what like!
www.trailwise.org.uk/do_quickfind.php?uid=SD6314-02

Thanks Ralph I might take a gander at the Wigan area maps, seems to be slim pickings round here for laning