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Does anyone have any pointers, tips or advice for getting round Cadwell Park? Ive never been there before and Im on a trackday on Tuesday. Ive been watching lots of videos to learn which way to go, but its never the same as actual track time so Im trying to get as much info on the place as possible.
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It stays damp under the wooded section for quite a while if there's been any moisture at all, and if you can get your head around the mountain you're better than me. On pictures it looks like the mountain is on a straight, it's not, you go into a tight right corner and somewhere around the apex when you start building power the elevation changes making you think the front wheel's coming up due to power. I couldn't get past that mental block all day, I think there was one photo where I had maybe an inch of air. Dramatic I was not :D
It's quite a twisty circuit, this actually helps in some ways as there's less room for getting the lines very wrong. Enjoy it, it's a hoot :) |
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single biggest mistake I've seen noobs making is ignoring the cones they put out for you to aim for, one for turning point, one for the apex - link these together and you'll corner more confidently more quickly.
Spoke to a few guys at cadwell once and they asked how I could be so committed thundering into the left hander up hill at the end of the start/finish straight = because although it looks tight, it's actually quite sweeping and the vanishing point feels to stay constant all the way round - they weren't looking at the cones for turn in/apex points and were slowing down way early on the start finish straight, which was nice 'cz I could carry more speed around the outside of them in to the corner. Think the main thing is go and enjoy it mate, it's my favorite circuit in the uk, so technical and so twisty :D |
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Sorry about the cut and paste, but this is what I used at Cadwell last year. Didn't stop me crashing at teh Gooseneck though. Beware the Gooseneck!
Top Tips: Gear your bike so you are only using 5 gears, I find it better to use 2nd to 6th so not having to go through neutral 1st to 5th. It does want to rev but better to have high revs so less chance of high siding. If you use 1st to 5th try to gear it so you are reving out in 3rd after the mountain just as you brake for hall bends. How to put a quick lap in Come out wide from barn in 3rd, you should be flatout in 5th as you come up to turn 1 (Copice) DO NOT BRAKE, DO NOT BE AFRAID, just before you tip in back change to 4th and let the engine brake for you, the back end will squat. still do not touch the brakes, because it is up hill and the camber is with you the front will stick. Keep in 4th for turn 2 (Charlies1) aim for the tall tree as you crest the brow and back change to 3rd for turn 3 (Charlies 2). WAIT and late apex. tap the power on as you exit. You should be taking 5th as you feel the compression in the bottom of the dip on Park Straight. then flatout in 5th you should be reving out as you brake for turn 4 (Park Corner). The braking marker is a light patch across the tarmac back change 2 gears to 3rd and use white line to apex to white line. Hold in 3rd for turn 5 (Chris curve) ignore the painted curbs on the right, the apex is just after then, it is a worn patch of grass that has plastic chequers under it. Then get upright and straight line flatout 3rd to turn 6 & 7 (goose neck). Still in 3rd late apex both the right and left of the goose neck. you left knee should touch the kerb on exit, the hard down the hill to turn 8 (mansfield) this is a good place to overtake! Brake hard and back change to 2nd, your left knee should be on the kerb and then aim for the last white curb on the right on exit. hard on the power. Approach the flip flop chicane in the centre of the track, stay in 2nd gear and aim staight for the 2nd apex, this way you only need to make a left turn. As you exit the flip flop take 3rd into turn 10 Enter turn 10 as wide as you can, and as you exit the left hand at the bottom of the mountain keep on the left hand side as the camber is with you, this will help set you up for the tight right. If you go over the centre of the track on the exit of the left hander, the camber runs away from you and will make you run wide, so you will either have to brake hard to make the right and so slow you up the mountain, or you may not make the right turn at all. Stay in 3rd gear and go up the mountain in the centre of the track covering the back brake. Try not to make the back wheel jump (although this looks good you cannot get forward momentum with the back wheel not in contact with the tarmac). Stay in 3rd gear your bike should rev out as you brake for Hall bends. Entering hall bends you should be on the left white line. your turn in is on the surface change opposite the pit lane gate post. Stay in 3rd gear through Hall bends white line to apex to white line. As you crest the brow on the exit of Hall bends the bike should go light or jump slightly. Stay on the right hand side of the track as you approach the hairpin. Back change into 2nd. Take the entrance to the hairpin narrow. This is a good place to under take as most riders take a natural wide line into the hairpin, this is not nessecary. On the exit short shift into 3rd. Enter Barn wide and take a late apex then let the bike run wide as if you are aiming for the Marshalls box. Sit it up, power hard and get over the start finish line |
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Funny cos I've been going thru the videos in preperation too!
I only watch the minitwins ones tho, I've got some pointers from them for braking points. My only experience of the track was on my CBR last october. My only tips would be, brake early for the downhill gooseneck so that you can enter slow, exit fast. Out braked myself a few times into there and its not fun and scrubs off a lot of momentum. Then charlies is a hoot, don't be shy of drifting it out wide between 1 and 2, carrying more speed onto Park. I'm really hoping this hot weather lasts till then. See you there. |
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Cheers for all the advice so far everyone. I will study it all more carefully over my lunch break.
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As the 'Idle Biker' says Beware The Gooseneck!
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I emailed them about their go pro use policy, it says no helmet or tank mounts.
I assume your bringing yours? I have a spot tucked away in the fairing if they are a bit wary of them. |
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They may allow them on the side of the fairings, we will see. Am I the only one who does anxious imaginary laps in the mind whilst tryin gto get to sleep? |
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Back on topic though, I will be bringing both my cameras. I got the MotoMount bracket from the states which screws onto your mirror mounts and allows you to mount a GoPro. Its worked well so far. I also have an old low red bullet camera bolted on to the pillion footrest point for rear facing footage. Add in the RaceChrono app for data overlays and jobs a good un |
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I haven't read all the notes on page 1, bit long! Good advice already above though, Coppice (end of start/finish straight) is very fast, just a bit of throttling off is enough to adjust your entry speed, it does take some getting used to but if you're not going in about 100mph then you've got room for improvement! Build up to it though, there's a big tree opposite.
Run onto Park (back) striaght is all important for speed, the pair of bends before (Charlies 1 and 2) are blind and complex, you'll get the hang of it though, stay wide until you can see where you're going (at least to start with), go too tight and you'll go too slow. Forest bit by the clubhouse, you'll need to flip flop quickly, I made the mistake of turning too late. Watch the good guys from the clubhouse and you'll see they start to flip the bike over for the next bend just after leaving the apex. Finally, getting there. Road form the south (Horncastle) isn't too bad but from Louth (north) it isn't very forgiving, this is not the time to be trying anything on, I'm not even joking! You'll have fun, that much is guaranteed! |
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Had this reply from Focused Events:
Hi Michael Thank you for your enquiry. Unfortuantely all Cameras are Not allowed on our trackday Events. Sorry!! Kind Regards & Stay Focused Hmm, I'm sure we can sneak them thru in the latter sessions if not the first ones! |
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The last 2 days Ive done with them they never said a word, and thats with a very easy to spot camera on the front of the bike, plus one on the rear that could be seen when noise testing. Just put it on anyway - worst they can say is take it off.
Phew! Van sorted also! Will be seeing you there. What bike are you on? |
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I'll be on the SV. Hoping I can eek out another day from the rear supercorsa. Look for blue focus estate, black trailer and hopefully shady gazebo!! |
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I use a RAM mount on the left clip-on, same one I used to use for a satnav when the gixer was my road bike.
So long as it's on the bike, not you, not held on with a sucker and not somewhere it's likely to castrate the rider in an off, they're not too fussed - Cadwell is the friendliest of the MSV circuits and they're pretty laid back about just about everything. |
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Weather forecast is errr mixed!
I'm gonna be wishing I had wets.... |
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It seems to change 3 or 4 times a day. I'm just hoping it stays dry. Could be a long days sat in a van otherwise.
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Was good to meet up, shame about the weather. Hope your drive home was ok.
By 4 o'clock the sun was out and was 99% dry, just the wooded area had 4 foot wide dry lines. That last session made my day, I hope Donnington makes up for yours! (P.S. Can you remind me the model of the GPS device you have) |
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Likewise, was good to put a face to the name and meet you. Glad you had a good day.
I really wasnt feeling the conditions yesterday. The first session was really slippery, especially on the entrance to the Gooseneck. If that heacy shower over lunchtime hadnt happened Id have been out for a few more laps but alas it wasnt to be. At least we got home at a reasonable time I suppose. It would have been about 10pm before we got home and unloaded etc if we had stayed until the end. That would have been OK if we were out on a dry track having fun, but slip sliding around on a greasy track in the wet wasnt instilling much confidence in either of us Im afraid. I'll have to get the model for you on Saturday when I get the bike back from my mates garage. The GPS is still strapped to the top yoke at the moment. I think its only a cheap no name thing though but let me look it up for you. Dont forget to check out RaceChrono too. Works really well. You can see a sample of the data it produces in the link below. Excuse the quality though. I used some rubbish software to overlay all the videos and it made a mess of the definition. Im on the case though now using Adobe Premiere so the next ones will be much better to look at. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ric_nzEE-s |
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Yeah the video is great, looks professional with all that info overlayed.
I downloaded it, it looks ace, yeah if you can let me know the model. Did you get a 5hz or 10Hz? I've seen the one shown on the Australian RaceChrono web site, the Qstarz BT-Q818XT 10Hz. £60 on ebay. You remember how much yours was? |
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I fairly sure its only a 1Ghz thing, nothing fancy at all. Think it was only about a tenner but Ive had it for years now. The Q818XT is supposed to be very good. Also, the Garmin GLO has had good write ups.
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Cheers mate, I've gone for the Q818.
Last question..... so your using adobe premier for the video editing, is there another program that does the gps info to video or is that an export from the app somehow? |
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You will need a freebie called RaceChrono2avi. Google it and you should find it easily
When you record a session in RaceChrono, click it and at the top of the screen you should see an up and down arrow which allows you to export the data. Click that and select a save location. Connect your phone to your PC and go to that location and you should see a .csv file. Now open RaceChrono2Avi and load up the csv file you just took from your phone. You can also change the dials, alter the layout, colours etc etc but I'll let you design that however you want. Be sure to select your first lap and lap in the drop down boxes under where you selected the csv and also make sure that tickbox called "Record AVI" is selected. Hit play and you will the times start and the speedo moving etc. Just let that finish and hey presto, one AVI movie file of all your data that RaceChrono recorded. Once you have that file, you can use your choice of video editing software to overlay it on top of your main footage. |
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Awesome stuff. Hopefully gps here tommorow, will be testing over the weekend.
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Bloody brilliant stuff! Can't wait to use it in anger now.
(Click onto 480p) I had done a voiceover whilst riding hence pointing at stuff but I can't bear to hear my own voice so I threw some emotional music over it instead!
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Thats pretty sweet. Is that a little route near you that you logged?
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You should pop over for the Gold cup: http://www.roadracingsupporters.com/Oliver's-Mount,-Scarborough.php |
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Heard much about it but never been or seen it before. I did wonder when I saw the footbridge going over the road at 55 seconds in. Its not a bad ride to Scarborough from mine either. The mother in law lives in Harrogate and there are some decent looking roads on the way over to there. May have to check it out sometime.
Good work on uploading the route to RaceChrono too. Hope they add it in to the library. |
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You should definitely try to get.
Having the big boys fly past your face about 6 foot away on some bends is a sight to see! |
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