Want to falsify a NIP?
 

6 months jail if you get found out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4762537.stm

Discuss. :P :D

Im off to pick up chain & sprockets so will add my 2p worth later. :wink: :D

Re: Want to falsify a NIP?
 

Did they fall off?? :wink:

Glad to see the courts have their prioities right. Steal a car get wasted kill someone walk out with community service. Lie on a NIP (stealth tax form ) and get 6 months. They've finally taken over the asylum :evil: :evil:

Re: Want to falsify a NIP?
 

I can't find an emoticon that shows someone stirring a pot, so this one will have to do :smt073


:lol:

Perverting the course of justice isn't it.

THere was a guy got done a while back, said his girlfriend was driving, and she got the points as he would have got a ban if he had come clean.

Then boasted about it on an internet forum and got caught and sent to jail.

She should have claimed the car had been hijacked and was full of explosives.

Then claimed asylum

Silly girl; should have said, "I think an American relative may have been driving it. Please can I see the evidence to confirm whether or not this is the case."

6 months is damned harsh. I think they just don't like the fact that a lot of people refuse to play ball and chuck NIPs in the bin then claim they never got them when challenged...

I do think that there are a lot of genuine cases where a couple might genuinely not know who was driving (particularly when they don't contact you until 6 weeks afterwards :roll: ). I know myself an a colleague were going on a long trip (5/6 hours) at the end of the working day and kept switching every hour or so, so the other person could rest. Had we been done for speeding (of course, we weren't; neither of us sped on a 5 hour stint on the motorway in order to reduce travelling time by more than an hour :^o) we genuinely wouldn't have known who was driving unless it was at the start/end of the journey.

The notion that someone in our position could be penalised (IE taken to court and possibly fined £1K) for asking for the evidence because they think we're timewasting/being evasive is absurd. They don't like it, because they know in some cases you'll find that the drivers face is obscured and then default to the "sorry, think it might be my cousing from Australia" defence.

Guess what? If you don't have evidence, you shouldn't be trying to prosecute someone! :roll: :D

Well... The thing is, it's perverting the course of justice. That's a pretty big deal- the position of the courts has always been that the thing you're lying about is irrelevent, it's the fact that you're lying that's at issue. So you could be lying about a murder or adding about a NIP, it's still attempting to prevent justice being served. Which I can understand, though I don't actually agree.

"stealth tax" is a whole nother thing, personally I think it's utter rubbish- you onl;y get NIPped if you break the rules, simple as. I do it all the time, when I get in trouble I don't complain though.

What my grievance is my perceived in-balance in the justice system. Lie to a Judge or a magistrate over a trivial matter you get treated far more harshly that for committing a far more serious crime.

true true, but I dont know if six months is harsh because as that old sayin goes if you cant do the time...

You can't just lie about something like this an expect not to be punished if you get caught - it's not the speeding offence she got done for but the fibbing to the authorities - but I would have thought a £500 fine a double points would have sufficed - how is a custodial sentence supposed to help especially when you have a senior judge saying thieves and muggers should not go to prison.

Re: Want to falsify a NIP?
 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

kciN - nearly. :shock: But the new ones were in Bookham so needed to get them asap. :P

Personally, I think its harsh. But end of day, its lying to a court and they do tend to take that a tad seriously. Bet she wishes shed just taken the £60 fine and 3 points now. :?

Right. Off out to doctors now. :D

.....but some folks can lie to parliament, take the country to war, cause the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, think they have God on their side, and we pay them while they do it.............so that's alright then. :roll:


(no, don't start another Iraq debate, please!)

Riddiculous isnt it, fair enough she perverted the course of justice but people have got similar sentances for far more serious offecences.

Since when ?

NIP forces you to prove your innocence rather than the authorities prove your guilt. It's absolutely bloody ridiculous.

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More evidence the country has gone mental!

Lie about driving a car when breaking the speed limit you get 6 months!

Hi-jack an aircraft with machine guns and explosives and you're let off,and granted asylum!

If you believe you caused no additional risk by exceeding the speed limit in a given situation then you should complain. Not only are there such things as bad laws (the current government is certainly churning them out by the bucket load) but bad enforcement too, and being ridged uncompramising is certainly that.

The law isn't "remain within the speed limit except when safe to exceed it". By all means complain about the law, but don't complain about having it enforced when you knowingly break it.