Newbie and MiniTwin help
 

Hi all, I have just bought an SV650 K4 for minitwin racing next year, does anyone know the following

1./ do they use tyre warmers
2./ other than JHS anyone else do race fairings
3./ what fork internals and rear suspension upgrades are the best for racing

Thanking you in advance

OpsMan

Re: Newbie and MiniTwin help
 

1. Yes they do, on anytyre thats road legal so supercorsapro's or rennsports etc etc plus Wets are allowed. No slicks
2. JHS as far as i'm aware are the only SV650 specific race fairing avaliable but a GSXR fairing is a pretty straight forward fgit and a damm sight easier to get hold of cheaply but you are allowed free choice of bodywork though.
3. 20mm cartidge kits are avaliable but at a rediculous price. much better to get them sprung wiht the correct oil and a set of emulators. Bung any race shock specific on the back and away you go although ohlins is the shock of choice as steve jorndan motorcycles race with bemsee and he's the paddock's ohlins technician. If you speak to steve or sarah on 01372 453322 or click the link in my sig they will be able to sort you out. tell them Chunky sent you :lol:

Thanks for the quick reply, which GSXR fairing fits?? and which year etc as the sv ones are so expensive to buy.

Again thanks for your help

Tim jones, Minitwin Engineering does SV fairings, most Gsxr fairings fit, K5/6 fairings fit the best as they are a bit narrower around the belly, Tims are Gsxr based but narrower where needed.

Tim Jones 07702 110998

I also do setup and bike prep, Any questions call me 07966280851

Tim - you should know my number starts 01372 by now!

You can get pretty much any fairing to fit. We run GSXR1000K5 fairings and use a lightweight subframe to mount the seat. Most fairings will need some cutting to fit. Just bewary as i did run a JHS fairing on mine but the bellypan was constantly on the floor. I think they may have altered them now but the K5 thou one doesnt drag as much.

Forks wise..best speak to Steve as he can advise.

Or just get a Gixxer front end and come and do thunderbikes instead!

SHHHH He might be quick!!!!!!!

:lol:

Oh and FYI sarah the 700cc kit should be here by the end of the week if either you or paul wants it?

Cool..i could well have Martin buying it. What do ya want for it?...text me if you want and i will let him know.

Thanks for that, so where do I get a light weight frame for the seat unit, I own a GSXR1000 K5 so would be nice to use the race fairings for the SV.

Cant afford the Thunders and anyhoo am senile at 43yrs old :D just gonna have some fun

Thanks to all the replys so far am quietly chuffed to have answers so quick cheers all, think I am gonna enjoy this :wink:

You can do Thunderbikes anyway on a stock SV..its a laugh and a fun class!. I have done minitwins for the past two years and Thunders this year..great classes and top paddock to be in. You will have to come and say hello and have a beer with us when the season starts!.

I get the subframes custom made, they are £135 and the clock brackets £85. The subframes take the standard undertray and battery box too which is useful rather than having those items exposed to the wet if it rains.

Like the one and seat unit on my bike:

http://www.stevejordanmotorcycles.co...ng/brands1.jpg

Anyways..off to Jerez now testing...well working and testing.. 8)

will i be able to fit them without custom frames, I am on a tight budget so need to save where i can.

Not sure about the seat unit fitting off a 1000 K5 but a K3/4 will. As for the fairing it should fit as the lightweight ones sarah sells are the same as a normal OE one just lighter obviously.

Weigh up what you want out of the bike, I'm no racer and the above replies are all from people who do actually race. However, if you're in it just for fun perhaps a custom seat subframe and plastics might not be worth it. I'd imagine you can always make changes through the season, so change the things that are holding you back as they become an issue. I'd imagine whatever budget you do have would be best thrown at tyres and suspension at first though changing the plastics will probably not cost you much once you've sold the stock ones off the bike.

Edit: to clarify the above the stock front fairing has headlights, mirrors, indicators and the plastics themselves, all of which sell for a fair bit, so an aftermarket fairing may well be worth it. Just don't get sucked into the thought that you have to change everything before you start!

Re: Newbie and MiniTwin help
 

I'm confused, why wouldn't you use James?

He's not a million miles away from you and he knows just a lot about the series (he helped start it!!).

Odd.

Re: Newbie and MiniTwin help
 

If the JHS stuff is all he could find that was specific for the SV pehaps he thought that was all thats avaliable or that you're allowed to use. If you are on a very tight budget then having to pay full price for something that is in theory avaliable for alot less, be it second hand or just from a competitor, is a good thing.

Yep, the message wasn't "I don't want to use JHS", it was "are there alternatives".

Please dont misunderstand, I am well aware what JHS has done for the series and he is only a short distance away, trouble is for me on a small budget and inexperienced racer who WILL have spills i wanted to know what other options there are for fairings.

For instance the K5 Fairing and K4 seat unit means if I have a spill it wont be as much to replace as they are more readily available hence cheaper...

Hope that clears it up.

Does it have to be faired?

I'm looking at either doing the Mini Twins of the Sound of Thunder, James is going to prep my 1000 anyway so we'll see.

Also, have you got your racing license sorted and if so....how?

Would it be best to start a new thread on what im about to ask or use this one?

How do you guys decide to get into racing? Is it through doing well on track days/boredom/lots of money etc?

how much is a season in minitwins?

I want it faired as i have some sponsors that will need space on the bike, as for license acu have not got them ready yet the forms will be sent to me when they have them, plus joining a club plus doing the ACU course in Feb 2007

Cant answer for anyone else but I have always wanted to do racing, not being so young I want to do it for some fun, ask me how much at the end of the season :wink:
minitwins for me seems a cheaper option as you dont spend fortunes tuning if i am correct. Also the people seem to be quite good fun too, I used to race grass track 1000cc sidecars and always had a good weekend, so hoping it will be as goos in minitwins....... comments about that please :D

If I were you, I'd get on the CCS course as soon as you can, I don't know anyone that doesn't learn anything from it, I'm looking at doing a couple again next year (I hope).

Can a TRE box be fitted to release the hp on first and 2nd for racing?????

I wouldn't bother if you are having a Power Commander fitted.

i didnt think you could have a power commander for the minitwins???

Yeah, sure you can!!

All it does is smooth things out, James (I think) has PC's AND Quickshifters fitted on both his race bikes, may be worth a chack buy I'm 99.99% sure.

This being the place that it is I'm sure someone will prove me wrong.

I was wrong about the quickshifter, it's only on his 1000.

Rules here..........


http://www.bemsee.net/pdf/2007_minitwins_regs.pdf

PC are allowed as of this year since bikes like the ER6 were released however on a suzuki save your money and just get the original ECU remapped. far cheaper.

TRE's are NOT allowed full stop.

And rough costs for that????

Add to that they don't work and if you are riding the bike in the rpm's they may be noticeable you shouldn't be on a race track!

I can also supply naked bodywork should you wish to go that route :wink:

There's not masses to be gained in the fueling on an injected bike, last year I ran a hindle system with a K+N filter with no fuelling adjustments and the fuelling was good, Was the only naked bike to get a MRO podium, on pace all year and the same bike this year won the nationwide Minitwins, pretty much as I sold it, allbeit with a fairing fitted.

deleted, wont allow me to post pictures

Here you go :lol:
http://www.muchos.co.uk/members/robw/websv650_no70a.jpg

Where can i get the exhaust connector that lifts the pipe up at the rear, I take it it gives better clearance

Is there any video footage of the racing out there anywhere???

Also which to do Bemsee/MRO or North glouster and dont forget i am a beginner

Thats a std High level Hindle system, however I struggled for clearence at the bottom of the link pipe, the systems I have seen since seem further in under the frame, This is a problem with Akraprovic as well.

Do Bemsee, you will be put in whichever class according to your experience.
So far there has not been the competition in NG, hence the laptimes are down by up to 5sec compared to Bemsee and the faster times have usually been set by visiting Bemsee riders

So Bemsee it is then :lol:

thanks for that oh and if there is a prob with the system which one is best then anybody????

Theres some on board footage Here http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=39126

A bit dated now as a couple of Circuits have had chicanes put in.

Might be worth having a look at www.Motoforum.net as a lot of the bemsee lads use the site and there is also Yahoo group for minitwins though i'm not sure how up to date it is.

chris

Ok I have a shopping list with some reccomended I need help with prices and which to get

• Ohlins rear shock
• Ohlins Fork Springs
• Rear Sets Which One (budget £150)
• Exhaust Which One (budget 200)
• Clip Ons Which One (budget 120)
• Brake Lines Which One (budget 70)
• Steering Damper Which One (budget 150)

Just want to be competetive but within small budget, if they dont fit with my budget then will save more money just need an idea

I think after speaking with sarah on PM that unfortunately I cannot have the K5 GSXR fairing and seat unit as far as I understand if I buy one then I will have problems as I would have to manufacture brackets etc, this is a shame as I have been offered a new seat and fairing for around £200 but unless it is a QB carbon one then sarahs brackets wont fit, so will now opt for the RHS fairings that bolt straight onto the bike.

Thanks in advance for your kind help

• Rear Sets Which One (budget £150)

Valtermoto are fairly cheap

• Exhaust Which One (budget 200)

Need to spend more than that

• Clip Ons Which One (budget 120)

Stick with standard bars

• Brake Lines Which One (budget 70)

Any

• Steering Damper Which One (budget 150)

Don't bother. Put the rest towards the exhaust.

So are sarahs not K5 Gsxr fairings then??

Its really not that hard to get them on, just get down to B+Q and get some strips of flat steel/alloy and bend up some brackets to mount off std brackets and take a hacksaw to the subframe.
Most fairings have been fitted to the sv now from Ducati, Kawasaki, Honda and Suzuki, none have been massively modified and used either std bracket modded to suit or the std bracket for the bike it came off.
Its trimming them right that makes the difference, endless bikes have had Gsxr fairings and some just don't look right, others do, its not what you fit, its who/how its fitted.

Its worth spending the extra on the forks and go for Emulators and springs £250 fitted and exhaust systems wise Hindle is the best value at £350 and performance wise there is very little in it on a Mt spec bike, Hindle is the lightest, but M4 makes more power in different areas, but weighs a lot more and is a lot more expensive.
Replacement cans/parts are also a consideration, Akraprovic cans are £300 and repack kits are only available with a new sleeve £180.
You will need to repack the can at least once in a season so bear that in mind.