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well today i think i got clocked doing 43mph in a 40 by a mobile van camera, stupid really as there is always one there virtually every morning but i saw the van and bye the time i was along side it my brain kicked in "OH &%$£" i shouted.

question is will i lose my license, awhile ago i herd that there is a period after you pass your test where if you get any points you will lose your license, is this true or fubar. Also how long does it take before i get the dreaded letter, there was not the usual police bikes of cars waiting around so i didn't get pulled over.

also the van was unmarked except for the cross hatches on the back, no signs and no other plods about, but it i guess it will still be online as they wouldn't miss out on money.

cheers

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OK, first of all I'm guessing you weren't stopped, so at the moment there is no certainty you will be done for this. secondly 43 in a 40 I'd be very surprised if you were nicked for that. Could happen though. Should you get a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) go to the pepipoo site for the best advice. NIP must be within 14 days IIRC.

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ok cheers but anyone know anything about the losing my license bit. really worried as i just sold my car and am relying on my bike for everything:(

also i did slow down and think i was at 40 when inline with the camera but cant be certain as i saw it so late

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43 on your clock is less than that in real life....... you probably won't get a ticket :thumbsup:

If, and it's a big if, you get a ticket for this you will get a conditional offer of 3pts and £60 fine.

As for the limits:
Get 6pts in the first 2 years after getting your first full licence (in any category - car, bike, whatever) will get you a ban. Thereafter its 12 points in (I think) four years.

So if, say, you passed your car test more than two years ago then you have the full 12 points to play with. A more recent bike test pass makes not difference - all it did was add another category to your exisiting licence.

Conversely, if you lose your licence then you lose the lot; makes no difference as to which vehicle you were caught on.

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i would say if your speedo showed 43 in a 40, you have nothing to worry about

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If you get more than 6 points in two years, then bye bye liscence and hello retest

If you where pulled for this "offence", then you'll only get 3 points max (i think)

Matt

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ok cheers for the help guys

love the .org!:smt055

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Where was this Wideboy - just wondering, as most of the scamera vans I have seen in Soton are usually set up in a 30 limit???

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I would not worry about it, like others have sain 43 in a 40 wont even set it off. you would have to be doing at least a real 46 to get a tiket, which is more like a indicated 50.

I have had more than a few occasions where i thought have been done,, came from a 70 to a 40 still doing 50+ and thought Sh*t im busted by that van. Nothing happened so i can only think that they had either finnished o just seting up or the limit was set really high.

I know that some forces have high limits. My wife ahas helpfully informed me that the Wiltshire police arounf Chipppenham etc have the 60MPH one set at 70+ so ifthat is a real speed than you are looking at an indicated 75 before getting busted.

Also i am sure that the camera vans detectors have not been tested or type aproved for bikes, and that more than one case has been thrown out on that technicallity.

If yo uwere comming towards him and they were not using the new ones with 360CCTV to catch your rear plate then even less to worry about.

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Sorry, fella, I don't wish to labour the point but it is important:

It's 6pts in two years from the date of passing the test for the first category on your licence. Thereafter it's 12pts.

Therefore if Wideboy (sorry - can't be arsed with all those funny characters!) passed, say, his car test on 19th Aug 2005 (and then subsequently passed his bike test) and got zapped today (20th Aug 2007) and that took him to 6pts then he wouldn't lose his licence because as from taday he has 12pts to "play with".

in the above example the date that he passed his bike test is irrelevant under the totting-up rules since his car test was his first test.

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was on Southampton road / Wide lane (what ever you call it) along side the railway track and airport as you go into Eastleigh opposite lakeside there is one there at least once a week but usually 2 biker plods each end pulling people over. its a 40 there but they usually place it near the 30 zone to catch people out with the changing limit.

and Jabba (sorry don't know how to double quote) i passed my car on 2 june 2006 and bike on 14 may 2007

and thanks again guys for your help

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strewth! you're extremely close to where i live!

no speeders in my village thank you:cool:

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So you only have 6ths to play with up to and including 1st June 2008, 12 pts from 2nd June 2008 and thereafter.

I genuinely believe that you won't hear anything about todays events.

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where are you then, my abode resides in west end:cool:

and other lot cant express my gratitude enough, been playing in my mind all day, would have taken me ages to find this on the net, cheers and much love:mrgreen:

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im in fair oak :cool:

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ah other end of Allington lane then im at the bottom of it, the ghetto:cheers:

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So was the nice police officer that followed me for a few miles in his nice unmarked BMW able to issue a penalty notice (git) when he said I was doing 90ish. He was on his own and his video wasn't on, and I wasn't offered the chance to see it, or did he get lucky when he forced me into a corner, admit I was doing 90 and take 3 points and £60, or go to court and be done for doing over 100 and get an instant ban?

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No saying your wrong but my brother in law passed his car test in 2000 but only passed his bike test last year. He got 3 pionts for parking on zigzags and then got 3 pionts for speeding and they revoked his motorcycle intitlement from his licence!

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I was under the impression that unless they could offer proof of the speed you were doing - either with a calibrated video recorder, calibrated speed camera (laser) gun OR with the accompanying evidence of a 2nd police officer in attendance - that you couldn't be prosecuted (and therefore given a ticket/NIP). However I believe that they CAN caution you for the alleged offence. Something similar happened to me whilst driving my MR2 up a dual carriageway. Some doddery old git was doing 40mph in the outside lane of a dual carriageway with a national speed limit on it and I undertook him doing about 60mph (well within the speed limit). However the dual carriageway drops to 40mph speed limit and I'm still doing 60mph (but slowing down gradually), when I see the blue flashing lights. Copper basically told me he thought I was speeding when it dropped to 40 but that since he didn't have any equipment to confirm this, he was only issuing me with a "caution" for the dangerous undertaking manoeuvre. He also commented that he THOUGHT I didn't have my seat-belt on, which I DID (AND ALWAYS DO) so I immediately defended this by saying that I ALWAYS wear my seat-belt and that because of the limited visibility through the rear window of an MR2 that he must have been mistaken - he didn't follow this up any further :)

Pete
p.s. I'm sure someone who KNOWS the law will correct me if I'm wrong here ;-)

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43 in a 40 ... I think you'll get away with this on tolerances alone. Firstly bike speedos aren't as accurate as you think, and most (I believe) overstate the actual speed (the SV has a claimed top speed of 126mph, but I have actually seen my clock go up to 138mph :oops: hehehe ... honest m'lud, it was a clear motorway with absolutely NO TRAFFIC on it, and it was 6am! Go easy on me m'lud please?! :D). Secondly, speed cameras and police will "usually" operate within a tolerance too ... I've heard it said approx 10%, which would mean that you could possibly be doing 44 in a 40 and still get away with it (just depends how lenient they are being).

As for licence ... you won't lose your licence for a single 3pt offence (which this would be, IF you are prosecuted).

EDIT: Assuming you have no other offences/points on your licence!

Other's have mentioned the 6pt/2yr thing ... and I can confirm this, as it happened to my bro ... He got done twice for speeding in first 2 years after he passed his test ... however, it took them a further 2.5 YEARS to actually notice this, but he eventually had his licence rescinded/revoked and had to re-apply for a provisional licence and also had to do a re-test (theory + hazard perception + practical). He now has a clean licence though :)

HTH,
Pete

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You are saying I'm wrong!!

In my defence I offer the following...........

Sounds like either the law got it wrong in your bro's case or his speeding offences were so bad that the Magistrate's took an unusual course of action. If the law got it wrong then he should appeal.

However, I remember some story a year or two ago where the DVLA lost some records and it was suggested that this could (and did) happen. Sounds like your bro might have been one of a few.

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My bro enquired about an appeal and was told it would be a waste of time. Basically, no matter how long it took the police or DVLA to recognise the fact, the fact remained that he had amassed 6 points in the first 2 years of driving, and therefore had his licence revoked. He wasn't happy about it, but there was nothing else he could do but go and re-test (which he passed 1st time :D)

Perhaps he was one of those whose records went missing.

Pete

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Hedge End for me ;)

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yeah thanks for editing my mistake:rolleyes: just count you lucky stars im not from townhill!!! now they are pikeys!!!

i was brought up right:cool: