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Oh, and in the case of Canvey can we a vote on casting them adrift??

A new moat will have to be dug from the Essex side because any equipment left on the Canvey side would probably 'wander'.

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Shocking the number of demonstrations that happen in London for problems that are happening many miles away. Don't mind if they are peaceful but when they involve damage to property or injury to our Police it makes you want to put the demonstrators (independence for Bangladesh, independence for Catalonia, human rights in China etc. etc. etc. ) on planes and send them to Bangladesh, Catalonia, China so that they can demonstrate 'properly' LOL and see how tolerant the governments they are protesting against are................

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If Catalonia gets independence does that mean it becomes a sovereign state? If it becomes a sovereign state does that mean it's no longer within the EU?
Is this Cataexit with no deal? No trade arrangements? No subsidies?

Good luck.

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Yes, exactly the same as if Scotland became independent. Also, what currency.

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As mentioned by someone in Catalonia they will have independence for 3 days��
Not much happening in Barca yesterday luckily in the tourist areas. Plenty of Si an Catalan flags every where.

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Only if it's a bank holiday weekend.

Madrid signed a decree removing their autonomy within hours of the independence declaration this time around.

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yes they become a sovereign state. yes they have to leave the EU but can apply to become a member in their own right.

the newly formed country will have to make their own trade agreements or amend the ones they have with trade partners. no biggie as most trade is by way of supply/demand.

which ever currency they choose and its worth is mostly linked to their GDP amongst other things.

as for Scotland.. well Scotland does not have a currency so any would be better than none. by law Scotland still works on the barter system and has NO legal tender of any kind and that includes the BOE £. every pound the people in Scotland have in their bank account is not worth anything. for every note printed in Scotland the same is held by the BOE as a deposit for the issuing bank, basically for a Scottish bank to print a note/coin it has to give the BOE its worth to be held as security, a bit like an IOU which is basically what money is. if a Scottish bank goes under the BOE must exchange issued Scottish bank notes for every note printed by issuing bank. due to the notes being BOE they are only worth their face value in England as Scotland does not have any legal tender... do you now see the answer to the age old question about what currency will Scotland use if they go intendant. no. well it will use which ever one it decides to use as Scotland does not have one in the first place and any new currency will be linked to the GDP of Scotland and issued notes/coinage will be secured by that Scottish bank/GOV and the country's GDP just like the BOE for England or the $ for the USA etc.etc

i dont see the problem with any part of a country wanting to go independent if it chooses regardless of its worth. after all, we employ politicians to make decisions for us. if you dont agree with a party's policy's then dont vote for that party.. simples.. if you do then you agree to abide by their decisions. political party's are voted in by majority so we have to abide by the majority whether we like it or not. problems arise where you have a country made up of states/country's like the UK, Spain the USA etc.etc where each state/country within has its own governing body and that governing body decides that its better for its people to leave the partnership. the only way to stop this is to do away with each state/country and create a single country with one law currency, GOV etc.etc which should have been done in the UK when it was first created.

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The only problem with that is that when these countries like the UK was "created" parts of the whole did not want the union. A lot of this is of course down to wealth and greed as Johnson said at the time of the UK union "Why would a prince want to marry a pauper ".

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land rights decided by a few greedy politicians in the pockets of Westminster. just look what happened to the highlands and islands after the act of union. all Scottish soil became property of the crown along with its people. evicted by force and slaughtered all in the name of union. or have i got my dates wrong.

yes Scotland was pretty much bankrupt by making a bad financial decision but what country's hadn't back then, Tulips sound familiar?

enough of Scotland problems and more on Catalonia ;)

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The thing is, just like Brexit, no-one actually goes into all the details of what independence really means before whipping up enthusiasm amongst the masses. Basically if you tell people what they want to hear, they will vote for you (Trump anyone?).
I voted remain, not because I have any particular affection for the EU per se, or think that they are doing a particularly good job, but principally because there was no plan nor any indication of how it was all going to be worked outside the EU (borders/visas, rules and regulations, trade deals etc). A lot of wishful thinking and hyperbole, but no detail at all, and that's where the devil is. Even now the EU negotiators are asking what it is we really want, and our negotiators are saying the EU is being obstructive. Catalonia would find the same. If I were them, I'd wait 5 or 10yrs and see how the UK gets on having left the EU before they start thinking of leaving Spain&EU.
I have a friend/acquaintance who lives in Fife and is/was strongly in favour of Scottish independence. After the referendum vote to remain in the UK, I said to him the big mistake the pro-independence side made was restricting the vote to Scottish residents only. Had they opened the vote to all UK residents they would have won easily. He wasn't quite sure how to take that.