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awkwardbydesign 16-04-11 02:43 PM

Effect of slipper clutch?
 
I have been thinking of installing a slipper clutch for some time, but would like some feedback from those who have tried one. I did a track day at Brands recently, and was fortunate enough to collar an instructor on an SV650 (pointy) who races the thing. I have a '99 curvy with a 700 engine, m4 full race exhaust, Racetech/Traxxion/maxton spring forks, Nitron race shock, GSXR front brakes and a steering damper (vital to me!).
I was able to follow the instructor's lines and see where he changed gear. At the end of the main straight, he said he doesn't brake, just knocks it down one gear, I tried it and it worked!
My question is; would that still work with a slipper clutch? I know the idea of a slipper is to stop the rear locking on downshifts, but would I also lose the engine braking? Or would it just come in more gradually, maybe change down slightly earlier so I had full engine braking when I needed it? Or would it keep slipping until the pressure was off the clutch?
My bike has a steeper than normal head angle (steering damper needed!), so the extra chain play can unsettle the bike when changing gear.
I just need advice from someone with experience, not opinions on my riding style, which at 62 is not going to improve much! I am in a cast with a broken thumb at the moment anyway.
Thanks.

cb1000rsteve 16-04-11 04:10 PM

Re: Effect of slipper clutch?
 
You will not notice the slipper clutch until it is needed to be called into action. The engine braking force on the clutch means it will not slip but if the rear wheel isn't turning quick enough this will make it slip until it catches up. Its like a one way valve is simple terms. The engine is allowed to slow the rear but the rear isn't allowed to slow the engine. This is in very simple terms i hope it helps.

speedplay 16-04-11 04:13 PM

Re: Effect of slipper clutch?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cb1000rsteve (Post 2521325)
The engine is allowed to slow the rear but the rear isn't allowed to slow the engine. This is in very simple terms i hope it helps.


:thumright:

Mark_h 16-04-11 09:27 PM

Re: Effect of slipper clutch?
 
Makes bump starting a bit tricky!

awkwardbydesign 17-04-11 12:11 PM

Re: Effect of slipper clutch?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cb1000rsteve (Post 2521325)
You will not notice the slipper clutch until it is needed to be called into action. The engine braking force on the clutch means it will not slip but if the rear wheel isn't turning quick enough this will make it slip until it catches up. Its like a one way valve is simple terms. The engine is allowed to slow the rear but the rear isn't allowed to slow the engine. This is in very simple terms i hope it helps.

So no engine braking then? Engine braking is what I will need to slow the bike instead of the front brake. Pity. Or can the Sigma be adjusted to get the best balance?

SV650Racer 18-04-11 01:33 PM

Re: Effect of slipper clutch?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by awkwardbydesign (Post 2521697)
So no engine braking then? Engine braking is what I will need to slow the bike instead of the front brake. Pity. Or can the Sigma be adjusted to get the best balance?

You do still get engine braking but the force of it wont be so violent. IMHO a slipper clutch on a tuned motor such as yours will also help the crank/rods as it takes the strain off vital components during downshifting, part of the reason we fit them to all our tuned SV motors. They are an item that is well worth having.

awkwardbydesign 18-04-11 02:48 PM

Re: Effect of slipper clutch?
 
Thanks Steve, I believe it was you who set up the suspension on my '93 Fireblade at Oulton a few years ago. I highsided it at the old Anglesey, which is why I am back on an SV! By the way, do you know if the Sigma clutches are still at risk from the excessive wear problem that was highlighted in the Sates a while back? I seem to remember Zoran found a fix, but I don't know if there was any acknowledgement of the problem from Sigma or Yoyodyne.

SV650Racer 18-04-11 02:56 PM

Re: Effect of slipper clutch?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by awkwardbydesign (Post 2522306)
Thanks Steve, I believe it was you who set up the suspension on my '93 Fireblade at Oulton a few years ago. I highsided it at the old Anglesey, which is why I am back on an SV! By the way, do you know if the Sigma clutches are still at risk from the excessive wear problem that was highlighted in the Sates a while back? I seem to remember Zoran found a fix, but I don't know if there was any acknowledgement of the problem from Sigma or Yoyodyne.

No current issues. Steve helped them develop the new generation clutch which has been designed to run different ramp angle and springs and works brilliantly on the tuned SV motors. Only wear issues I have seen that were similar to what was reported were due to incorrectly adjusted push rods and pack heights. With a slipper clutch adjustment is very important and i advise to do it after each meeting.

awkwardbydesign 19-04-11 02:33 PM

Re: Effect of slipper clutch?
 
Ok, thanks.


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