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15-05-07, 10:42 AM

SV v ss600 ******** again

Right...I can contribute a certain amount of "Scientific"

data to this pointless

debate.

IIRC nobody's mentioned this but the only way is by having the SAME rider ride each bike on the same "real world" road. I have done such a "test" on the A923 Dunkeld to Blairgowrie. I do this road about 2-3 times a week and know it very well. It has one straight about 3/4 a mile long (an SVs would be expected to lose time against a CBR) but the rest is twisty stuff.

I videod the road on both bikes last year and they're uploaded somewhere on the intraweb or here or something. If I can find the clips I'll upload them again.

Bike 1 SV650s 06 K6 - Diabolo Stradas 160 R 120 F - Fuel Can
Bike 2 cbr600f Steel frame - M Plate - Diabolo stradas 160 R 120 F - Micron can.

Both bikes stock otherwise.

Rider - Me

Dry roads and clear runs.

Note: Both bikes have the same rubber, same size tyres and wheels.

I ran both videos side by side and had all the splits for each marker/landmark but can't remember them all. What I do remember was this...

The first section has approx 8-10 hairpins and 30 odd tight turns in the first 2 miles. After the 1st 2 miles the CBR was ahead by around 5 secs.

The CBR run had to slow down for a pheasant crossing the road.

At the end of the 12 miles the CBR was 29 secs ahead.

Someone said earlier that an SV will turn quicker than an SS600. Ahem...this would "possibly" be true if the SS600 was on say a 180 or 190 rear with stepped profile tyres and the road was very tight - but this is too open to conjecture.

At least on this particular "test" its ********. The CBR ****es all over the SV. Even at low speed I can U-turn/figure 8 the CBR on the road outside my house. On the SVs - absolutely no chance. Even walking the two bikes round the SVs doesn't complete the u-turn.

In fairness to the SV though - on the same stretch of road in the wet the SV leaves the CBR for dead.The SV just eases away and is outta sight while the CBR is struggling with grip and the powerbandy stuff on the bends.

Where the CBR wins is on the suspension. If you know the road then you can set the suspension up for tight twisties. Front/Rear compression can be set to alter the bikes geometry going into, through and out of bends making it far superior to the SV which has preload only. So suspension has a lot to do with it.

Above all though both bikes are not exactly like for like. In standard gard the SS600 "should" win easily when its the same rider/road combination.

However...Northwind's SV has proper suspension which would no doubt make a huge difference.This would be a far more interesting test

Disclaimer: I have no experience of a SV naked and for all I know a naked could out turn a CBR/ss600 in the same hands but someone else would need to do this "test".

As for Gixxers, Ninjas etc - no experience so can't comment.

Lastly...my mates rs125 would eat

any ss600/SV on the first 2 miles of this particular road. Seen it done many a time.

15-05-07, 10:42 AM	#49
stuartyboy Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Sv Cornering SV v ss600 ****** again Right...I can contribute a certain amount of "Scientific" data to this pointless debate. IIRC nobody's mentioned this but the only way is by having the SAME rider ride each bike on the same "real world" road. I have done such a "test" on the A923 Dunkeld to Blairgowrie. I do this road about 2-3 times a week and know it very well. It has one straight about 3/4 a mile long (an SVs would be expected to lose time against a CBR) but the rest is twisty stuff. I videod the road on both bikes last year and they're uploaded somewhere on the intraweb or here or something. If I can find the clips I'll upload them again. Bike 1 SV650s 06 K6 - Diabolo Stradas 160 R 120 F - Fuel Can Bike 2 cbr600f Steel frame - M Plate - Diabolo stradas 160 R 120 F - Micron can. Both bikes stock otherwise. Rider - Me Dry roads and clear runs. Note: Both bikes have the same rubber, same size tyres and wheels. I ran both videos side by side and had all the splits for each marker/landmark but can't remember them all. What I do remember was this... The first section has approx 8-10 hairpins and 30 odd tight turns in the first 2 miles. After the 1st 2 miles the CBR was ahead by around 5 secs. The CBR run had to slow down for a pheasant crossing the road. At the end of the 12 miles the CBR was 29 secs ahead. Someone said earlier that an SV will turn quicker than an SS600. Ahem...this would "possibly" be true if the SS600 was on say a 180 or 190 rear with stepped profile tyres and the road was very tight - but this is too open to conjecture. At least on this particular "test" its ****. The CBR **es all over the SV. Even at low speed I can U-turn/figure 8 the CBR on the road outside my house. On the SVs - absolutely no chance. Even walking the two bikes round the SVs doesn't complete the u-turn. In fairness to the SV though - on the same stretch of road in the wet the SV leaves the CBR for dead.The SV just eases away and is outta sight while the CBR is struggling with grip and the powerbandy stuff on the bends. Where the CBR wins is on the suspension. If you know the road then you can set the suspension up for tight twisties. Front/Rear compression can be set to alter the bikes geometry going into, through and out of bends making it far superior to the SV which has preload only. So suspension has a lot to do with it. Above all though both bikes are not exactly like for like. In standard gard the SS600 "should" win easily when its the same rider/road combination. However...Northwind's SV has proper suspension which would no doubt make a huge difference.This would be a far more interesting test Disclaimer: I have no experience of a SV naked and for all I know a naked could out turn a CBR/ss600 in the same hands but someone else would need to do this "test". As for Gixxers, Ninjas etc - no experience so can't comment. Lastly...my mates rs125 would eat any ss600/SV on the first 2 miles of this particular road. Seen it done many a time.