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Old 26-05-09, 09:20 PM   #85
sinbad
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Default Re: Anger over motorbike 'swerve test'

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Originally Posted by JohnMcL7 View Post
If you're tired of posting the same thing over and over again how about actually reading posts first before replying and you'd save yourself a lot of time? The test does not have to be as black and white as you believe and there is no 'documented proof' required (which is a nonsense claim anyway) as that's how the on the road test for both cars and motorbikes has worked for many years.

Look at it this way, for the emergency stop on the road do they measure your exact stopping distance which must be within the same limit regardless of the conditions? No of course they don't - your stopping distance is going to be based on various factors the main one of which is going to be the condition of the road. There is no fixed limit at all instead the examiner uses their judgement to decide whether you stopped within a reasonable distance for the conditions.

One of the key elements of a driving/riding test which has been exactly the same since I passed my car test back in 1997 is driving at an appropriate speed for the conditions and even outside of tests I see it regularly mentioned that speed limits are the maximum limit, not the constant speed everyone should be driving at. This swerve test goes completely against that - any rider (or driver) should be going slower when the conditions are such that the ability of their vehicle to carry out an emergency manuever is reduced.

Something for you to remember is that the examiner is not a computer which can only base its decisions on basic numbers (nor are you despite the claims in your post), instead they are qualified people who are capable of obsvervation and their own expert judgement. Trying to break everything down into simplistic, arbtirary numbers does nothing to improve safety or riding standards if anything it does the opposite. I dislike this approach in any field as it does happen everywhere but it's even dafter here.

John
Firstly it's 50kph, and off-road, so nothing to do with our speed limits or how we should ride to them and it isn't a minimum speed for the whole test, only for the brief moment through the speed trap.

I've read your posts which seem to hinge around the idea that 50kph is "too fast" in wet conditions and slower should be acceptable. Yet people are passing the test in wet conditions so obviously it is not too fast.

Some aren't, and some people (who would probably be a danger to themselves on the road) are falling off, but then it's a motorcycle test so that's always going to happen. If everyone passed it would be too easy, if no one fell off it would be a car test.

If the test is devised for the worst conditions yet operated in all then what's the problem? Only that it's "too easy" in the dry.
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