[timwilky]

Look people, when AR07 was proposed, our routes were rejected. The decision makers do not like routes they deem to be technically demanding. the problem with Hartside is that it will not cope with people trying to ride it at their own pace. Remember there would probably be 100 bikes, you need to ensure separation so that nobody is on top of each other in the twisty bits otherwise somebody is going to come a cropper.

I have had discussions with the AR people in the past and again this year, the message is the route has to be ridable for all. I certainly would not want to be on hartside or any of the passes with somebody I did not know or suspected they were going to run wide on a turn as I overtook etc.