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13-08-12, 01:50 PM

I think they could have easily gotten a better bike with a different starting base.

I applaud the direction they're going in, but I completely agree with YC.. It's not that impressive. And to prove my point, I'm going to start with a bike at the completely different end of the spectrum: the 2012 Duke 690 (yes, I like this bike, so I'm starting off from it

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From fuelly.com, there's only 4 2012 690 dukes registered (I know, not enough to gain statistical significance). And they average 4.5L/100km (~63MPG Imperial). nc700 has ~50 entries and gets 3.7L/100km (~76MPG Imperial). I don't think that the duke is being used as heavily as the honda is. Nowhere near. If ridden in the same devout of fun way as the honda, it would probably get 70-75. So no, the economy of the honda doesn't impress me, when a single of the same capacity built exclusively with fun in mind can achieve similar consumption figures.

Maybe it's the price, then. Well, it is cheap for a new bike. It costs around 5k Euros, while the duke is 6.5k Euros. But the duke has wp suspension and brembo brakes and lots of nice tweaks here and there. If you were to use the same components as the honda and have them produced by honda, which have better scaled economy than ktm, than I'm pretty sure the duke would be something like 5.5k euros.

Storage space? I don't think so. To add a cheapo top box would add something like 50euros on the production side of things.

So yeah, I think the nc 700 is a great idea in general for biking and great for commuting right now and offers the best value. But the duke 690 would have made a much better platform. AND it's fun. Next year, the duke 350-400 will come out and wipe the floor with the nc700. It will have same power, same torque, same price, same consumption, half the weight, thrice the fun. So no, I wouldn't buy the honda new.

If you're willing to buy used, YC makes a great point: You can get a decent used bike for a lot less which will more than make up for the different fuel consumption. You can get a v-strom (just as ugly as the nc 700) for a lot less than the honda and it will do everything the honda does (commuting wise) and have a decent consumption, enough to make you wonder about the price difference.

13-08-12, 01:50 PM	#5
andreis Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Nc700x I think they could have easily gotten a better bike with a different starting base. I applaud the direction they're going in, but I completely agree with YC.. It's not that impressive. And to prove my point, I'm going to start with a bike at the completely different end of the spectrum: the 2012 Duke 690 (yes, I like this bike, so I'm starting off from it ) From fuelly.com, there's only 4 2012 690 dukes registered (I know, not enough to gain statistical significance). And they average 4.5L/100km (~63MPG Imperial). nc700 has ~50 entries and gets 3.7L/100km (~76MPG Imperial). I don't think that the duke is being used as heavily as the honda is. Nowhere near. If ridden in the same devout of fun way as the honda, it would probably get 70-75. So no, the economy of the honda doesn't impress me, when a single of the same capacity built exclusively with fun in mind can achieve similar consumption figures. Maybe it's the price, then. Well, it is cheap for a new bike. It costs around 5k Euros, while the duke is 6.5k Euros. But the duke has wp suspension and brembo brakes and lots of nice tweaks here and there. If you were to use the same components as the honda and have them produced by honda, which have better scaled economy than ktm, than I'm pretty sure the duke would be something like 5.5k euros. Storage space? I don't think so. To add a cheapo top box would add something like 50euros on the production side of things. So yeah, I think the nc 700 is a great idea in general for biking and great for commuting right now and offers the best value. But the duke 690 would have made a much better platform. AND it's fun. Next year, the duke 350-400 will come out and wipe the floor with the nc700. It will have same power, same torque, same price, same consumption, half the weight, thrice the fun. So no, I wouldn't buy the honda new. If you're willing to buy used, YC makes a great point: You can get a decent used bike for a lot less which will more than make up for the different fuel consumption. You can get a v-strom (just as ugly as the nc 700) for a lot less than the honda and it will do everything the honda does (commuting wise) and have a decent consumption, enough to make you wonder about the price difference.