Will I get nicked for a non-legal can? Part Deux

Question related to this....

Is it legal to have your baffle out if your bike is still within the legal noise limit (75-80db or so I think but at what revs?). I'm sure some bikes and cars are just as loud out of the crate as an SV with the baffle out.

If so should coppers really be walking around giving tickets at bike meets for a bike with a baffle out when they haven't even heard it running? Even if they have heard it running, unless they have a db meter handy, shouldn't they send you to an MOT station with a rectification notice?

Even if the SV easily busts the noise limit, should a copper be writing a ticket without any form of measurement? They can't write a speeding ticket on the basis that they think you were going faster than the limit, they have to have made some measurement.

I'm not asking what the police do, I'm asking what they SHOULD be doing...

Just because you got a ticket for something, that doesn't make it the law, I'm sure there have been plenty fixed penalty tickets written that wouldn't stand up in court.

i didnt think it was a case of baffle in/out, i thought it was down to the police if they deemed it too loud or not regardless.

A capri i used to own was so loud it used to set off car alarms when i drove past, never had any MOT/plod issues with that!

A policeman is an 'expert' and as such his judgment is deemed worthy evidence.

A police man can "THINK" it is to loud but unless he has db meter I fail to see how he can prosecute you and not all cans have markings. Obviously if it is a race can and marked up "Not For Road Use" that is a different matter
Even using the db meter it has to be with the engine at certain revs and in a controlled environment at a specific distance,not the roadside.
Like all police equipment it has to be Type Approved by the Home Office and calibrated

As a side comment I asked the Traffic Inspector if they are carried and he said
"We have two but nobody seems to know where the are"

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

A policeman is an 'expert' and as such his judgment is deemed worthy evidence.

When verified by another officer.

A mate of mine was pulled on his de-baffled Firestorm a while back, the conversation went like this:

Officer: "That exhaust is rediculously loud isn't it?"
Biker: "Yes, yes it is. "

He got a ticket, for the exhaust, and the speeding. He admitted it, so he got a ticket.

What they should/shouldn't do, well, I'll leave a .Org officer to answer that...

Originally Posted by Baph

When verified by another officer.
What they should/shouldn't do,

They shouldn't say " didn't seem that loud to me, maybe if you put your ear next to it while I rev up?"

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

They can't write a speeding ticket on the basis that they think you were going faster than the limit, they have to have made some measurement.

I always understood that to issue a speeding ticket, two independant methods of speed neasurement are required. Normally this is a policemans opinion and a speed gun/police car speedometer. But it can also be two policemen walking down the pavement as you speed past. If they both are of the opinion you were speeding, then a ticket can be issued.

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by madness

But it can also be two policemen walking down the pavement as you speed past. If they both are of the opinion you were speeding, then a ticket can be issued.

Which is completely wrong! Grrr!!! This police man's word is golden and he is an 'expert' in everything is ********.

To issue a any fixed penalty there should be incontrovertible proof of wrongdoing such as the speed gun and the DB meter. The 'because I say so and am a policeman' rule is complete bull****.

I stand corrected! But I will still endeavour not to speed past two bobbies on the beat!

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Question related to this....

Is it legal to have your baffle out if your bike is still within the legal noise limit (75-80db or so I think but at what revs?).

Wow that's low!

My car pulled something like 105db without ALS/launch control enabled