Track Day Fallen Rider Replacement

[Binky]

Just curious, but say you are at a trackday spectating and someone falls off and can no longer take part in the TD event. Can their place in the respective group be replaced by someone else, if they meet the license requirements etc Then a financial conclusion could be met between the two riders?

Think this is known as 'vulturing' or something. Is it allowed or frowned upon? Have you ever seen it happen or done it yourself?

Hope this all makes sense?

A mate of mine used to just turn up at track days on the off chance that someone didn't turn up (which quite often happens apparently). Then he used to 'negotiate' a price to fill the vacancy.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Binky

Just curious, but say you are at a trackday spectating and someone falls off and can no longer take part in the TD event. Can their place in the respective group be replaced by someone else, if they meet the license requirements etc Then a financial conclusion could be met between the two riders?

Think this is known as 'vulturing' or something. Is it allowed or frowned upon? Have you ever seen it happen or done it yourself?

Hope this all makes sense?

1. you'll have missed the rider presentation at the start
2. Do you mean using the same bike? (usually come off worse than riders in crashes) or otherwise your bike won't have been scrutineered (if they do that, at mostly usually noise testing)
3. You'll have missed the sighting laps if the TD organizer enforces those.

Originally Posted by madness

A mate of mine used to just turn up at track days on the off chance that someone didn't turn up (which quite often happens apparently). Then he used to 'negotiate' a price to fill the vacancy.

Sounds like a better plan

[Binky]

Originally Posted by Stu

1. you'll have missed the rider presentation at the start
Valid Point, but i'm sure there must be ways round that. Particularly if you've been on one of thier TD before...
2. Do you mean using the same bike? (usually come off worse than riders in crashes) or otherwise your bike won't have been scrutineered (if they do that, at mostly usually noise testing)
I guess if it is a strict noise limit then this is more likely to come into play. I've been on TD before that no scrutineering happened what so ever.
3. You'll have missed the sighting laps if the TD organizer enforces those.
The sighting laps are at the start of each session, so this wouldn't be a problem.

Thanks Stu. Maybe the above points will make it a lot harder to do this. Just a general query though. I don't plan on going to vulture anywhere.

I like Madnesses idea though.

Originally Posted by Stu

1. you'll have missed the rider presentation at the start
2. Do you mean using the same bike? (usually come off worse than riders in crashes) or otherwise your bike won't have been scrutineered (if they do that, at mostly usually noise testing)
3. You'll have missed the sighting laps if the TD organizer enforces those.


Sounds like a better plan

You can do this. People turn up mid day as someone envariably throws it down the road.

An instructor will give you your own briefing prior to going out and will make you follow him for the first X laps as your sighting laps.

All the scrutineering I have seen is making sure throttle returns when let go, the brakes work and that there are no bits hanging off, which they can check when they do the above. Maybe noise regs scrutineering have got stricter in the UK since I left, but I thought they just monitor the track as your circulate and black flag any offenders (like you, at Brands with that R6 Akra )

EDIT: I may be thinking of Australian trackdays, so probably best to ignore me!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by lukemillar

EDIT: I may be thinking of Australian trackdays, so probably best to ignore me!

No, was just my thoughts so you're probably right. If there's a way round the problems so that the TD organiser can earn more money, I'm sure they will.

(like you, at Brands with that R6 Akra )

[fastdruid]

There is no scrutineering these days, only one track day organiser that I know of does any kind of safety checks and they're an email list and only do one (double) trackday a year.

It's all for legal reasons, if the TDO doesn't spot something wrong with your bike, you crash and hurt yourself you could sue, if the TDO washes their hands of it and goes "it's up to you to ensure your bike is safe" then the TDO is covered.

Ambulance chasers, and a lack of personal responsibility, don't ya just love them!

Druid

Originally Posted by fastdruid

There is no scrutineering these days, only one track day organiser that I know of does any kind of safety checks and they're an email list and only do one (double) trackday a year.

It's all for legal reasons, if the TDO doesn't spot something wrong with your bike, you crash and hurt yourself you could sue, if the TDO washes their hands of it and goes "it's up to you to ensure your bike is safe" then the TDO is covered.

Ambulance chasers, and a lack of personal responsibility, don't ya just love them!

Druid

The scrutineering must be an Aussie trackday thing then.

Originally Posted by lukemillar

like you, at Brands with that R6 Akra

lol - rember that well. I've nearly got my hearing back now too