psst! You ain't seen me - SV650.org

Bri w · 18-08-10, 05:15 PM

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety...me2/rsrr85.pdf

Nice to know why but not sure that's very helpful.

Maybe if bikers know, then we can be more defensive(?).

18-08-10, 05:17 PM

Can you provide me with a summary...I've been reading cycling strategies for various districts all day so cannot be ar$ed to read another doc!

Bri w · 18-08-10, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TazDaz

Can you provide me with a summary...I've been reading cycling strategies for various districts all day so cannot be ar$ed to read another doc!

LBFTS - drivers Look But Fail To "See," i.e. the driver's brain doesn't recognise the risk.

There is also a section on coffin dodgers returning to biking after many years away. And a section on young riders who fail to perceive the risk of "spirited" riding.

Filtering also gets a mention, i.e. again, drivers don't consider a biker may be filtering. The driver's brain doesn't recognise the risk.

HTH

18-08-10, 05:36 PM

Nice...saves me reading time!

As expected then...we should assume we're invisible to drivers effectively.

18-08-10, 05:42 PM

Quite interesting to skim through and generally points out the obvious about common accidents in different situations.
But will anything come of it .....probably not.

[Edit]
tazdaz....thought that was rather standard, although sunday showed abit different.

yorkie_chris · 19-08-10, 12:55 PM

Very interesting.

Read page 14 and apply that thought to your road positioning.

andrewsmith · 19-08-10, 03:20 PM

That one has been mentioned to me about the Camo effect. The joys of the typical car driver: sees car, doesn't see bike as it is smaller than car or sees it and thinks its a long distance away as lights are small.
It does give food for thought, when its demonstrated

19-08-10, 04:08 PM

I will read it when I am not so tired but it certainly doesn't surprise me.

Bloody hell I can drive around with flashing blue lights and sirens and people don't notice me!!

andrewsmith · 19-08-10, 04:12 PM

MBK can believe that see a police panda (am waiting for the photoshop!!!) missing most its front end yesterday

19-08-10, 04:13 PM

You get used to it, but it does stick in my mind when I am on the bike that if they can't see the blue lights then how are they gonna see a bike?

18-08-10, 05:15 PM	#1
Bri w Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Turre, Almeria Posts: 668	psst! You ain't seen me http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety...me2/rsrr85.pdf Nice to know why but not sure that's very helpful. Maybe if bikers know, then we can be more defensive(?). __________________ *"It's not the years in your life, it's the life in your years."* Currently - Fighting the urge... seen a nice Triumph America Previously - Honda CB125, Honda CB400-4 & BSA B40, Moto Guzzi 850, Yamaha RD250, Suzuki GT380, Kawasaki Z1B, Kawasaki Z650, Honda VFR, Triumph Street Triple R.

18-08-10, 05:17 PM	#2
TazDaz Guest Posts: n/a	Re: psst! You ain't seen me Can you provide me with a summary...I've been reading cycling strategies for various districts all day so cannot be ar$ed to read another doc!

18-08-10, 05:36 PM	#4
TazDaz Guest Posts: n/a	Re: psst! You ain't seen me Nice...saves me reading time! As expected then...we should assume we're invisible to drivers effectively.

18-08-10, 05:42 PM	#5
BBadger Guest Posts: n/a	Re: psst! You ain't seen me Quite interesting to skim through and generally points out the obvious about common accidents in different situations. But will anything come of it .....probably not. [Edit] tazdaz....thought that was rather standard, although sunday showed abit different. Last edited by BBadger; 18-08-10 at 05:44 PM.

19-08-10, 12:55 PM	#6
yorkie_chris Noisy Git Mega Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Halifax/Leeds Posts: 26,645	Re: psst! You ain't seen me Very interesting. Read page 14 and apply that thought to your road positioning. __________________ Currently Ex Biker Now rebuilding a 63' fishing trawler as a dive boat

19-08-10, 03:20 PM	#7
andrewsmith Member Mega Poster Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, Just south of salad dodging country Posts: 7,750	Re: psst! You ain't seen me That one has been mentioned to me about the Camo effect. The joys of the typical car driver: sees car, doesn't see bike as it is smaller than car or sees it and thinks its a long distance away as lights are small. It does give food for thought, when its demonstrated __________________ RIP Reeder 20/07/1988 - 21/03/2012. Always missed squire!!! Every year we meet old friends, gain some new ones, lose old ones and you always remember them all. “Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.” Mahatma Gandhi

19-08-10, 04:08 PM	#8
Milky Bar Kid Guest Posts: n/a	Re: psst! You ain't seen me I will read it when I am not so tired but it certainly doesn't surprise me. Bloody hell I can drive around with flashing blue lights and sirens and people don't notice me!!

19-08-10, 04:12 PM	#9
andrewsmith Member Mega Poster Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, Just south of salad dodging country Posts: 7,750	Re: psst! You ain't seen me MBK can believe that see a police panda (am waiting for the photoshop!!!) missing most its front end yesterday __________________ RIP Reeder 20/07/1988 - 21/03/2012. Always missed squire!!! Every year we meet old friends, gain some new ones, lose old ones and you always remember them all. “Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.” Mahatma Gandhi

19-08-10, 04:13 PM	#10
Milky Bar Kid Guest Posts: n/a	Re: psst! You ain't seen me You get used to it, but it does stick in my mind when I am on the bike that if they can't see the blue lights then how are they gonna see a bike?