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I am so pleased that all my hard work and research into corporate deception paid off!
I received a fixed penalty notice for parking in a place which as been used by bikes since I can remember. In fact it pee'd me off so much I thought this is my chance to exercise my rights. I know that a Notice is an offer to discus their claims and I also know that ignoring the notice is the same as agreeing to it. So I wrote this letter asking them to answer a few questions. [ADDRESS] [DATE] Re: FIXED PENALTY NOTICE [number] - Issued [date] Notice of Discharge of Outstanding Penalty Notice and Request for Clarification. To [address] You have apparently made allegations of criminal conduct against me. You have apparently made demands upon me. I do not understand those apparent demands and therefore cannot lawfully fulfil them. I seek clarification of your document so that I may act according to the law and maintain my entire body of God given Natural Rights. Failure to accept this offer to clarify and to do so completely and in good faith within 7 days will be deemed by all parties to mean you and your principal or other parties abandon all demands upon me. I conditionally accept your offer to agree that I am NAME and that I owe £??.??, upon proof of claim of all of the following: 1. Upon proof of claim that I am a person and not a human being. 2. Upon proof of claim that you know what a ‘person’ actually is, legally speaking. 3. Upon proof of claim that you know what the difference between a ‘human being’ and a ‘person’ actually is, legally speaking. 4. Upon proof of claim that I am NAME and not Name 5. Upon proof of claim that the charge was the result of a lawful investigation unmarred by prejudice. 6. Upon proof of claim that I am a member of the society whose statutes and subsisting regulations you are enforcing. 7. Upon proof of claim that I showed you some sort of identification. 8 Upon proof of claim that there is a nameable society that I belong to and that the laws covered within this alleged transgression state that they apply to me within that named society Sincerely and without ill will, vexation or frivolity [Signature] This is a basic template that I found on TPUC.org and the response I received was this. ![]() It seems to be working! Next step is to de-register my bike and claim the right to travel, thank god for the Barons and the Magna Carta. Don't get me wrong I'm not doing this to bring about anarchy but to bring attention to the UK plc that I do not consent to their statutes nor do I stand under their jurisdiction. Last edited by Smudge; 20-01-11 at 04:34 AM. |
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I'd be interested in knowing what the laws are on that one. I'm fairly sure you'll find one that to be several steps up from a simple parking violation. Can't do that in the US for sure. Here they tell you, "Driving is not a right it's a privelige." Thr roads are state owned property. If you wish to use them, you and your vehicle must conform to state laws. Diving without a plate here is a biggie. Definately a steep fine, possible jail time and/or impounding of and possibly seizing your vehicle. More than once, deffinately jail time. Well done on getting out of the parking fine.
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There are no laws just legal statutes the only time a law comes into it is when someone is caused injury, harm or loss.
I know in Canada there is the same difference between legal and lawful as the UK but I don't know if the US has common law jurisdiction. As a freeman on the land in the UK you have the right to travel by your own means, we have a growing number of people in the UK that are claiming common law jurisdiction. In Halifax there is a freeman community where the members live together on a farm, they don't pay tax and all drive de-registered transport they did attract a lot of attention at first but after several failed prosecution attempts they have agreed to give there vehicles distinctive markings and they now get left alone. I can see things will get ugly at some point but until the government understand that it is the people that run them and not the banks we need to play them at their own game, using their language. |
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smudger your mental, but thats why i love you, i take my hat of to you sir for avoiding the fine i wish you the best in your future endevours, please keep me up to speed with this little crusade of your as i find it fasinating
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Smudge, was this a ticket from a parking warden from the council? Or from a private firm?
I am definitely going to copy and paste this and use it one day... Good work!! |
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well played
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hmm interesting one. i would imagine that you would get the if you dont use the system you can not benefit from it. that would include using the roads? surely its law that you have to have insurance? and law that you have to have road tax? if you dont you can not use the roads?
i dont know but would like to hear where your comming from? |
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Well done that man.
I challenged a fine i received at a local football match, where the scrote waited until 8.01pm until the game kicked off to go on his fining rampage. I was parked on the front of a disused factory building along with about 40-50 other cars, a place i had parked for years. I was on the end as i got there late, i was the only one with a ticket. So i challenged it, still havent replied back, this was 2008. The local councils in brum now use ball bags to ride around on scooters, feck me it winds me up. They are attracted to soft target areas but fail to control the real problem areas. just easy pickings. Im sure if a lot of people challenged their fines, it would be amazing how many were issued wrongly. I once got a ticket in a quiet side street for my back wheel touching a double yellow by about 1 inch ![]() |
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