Who's in the wrong? - SV650.org

07-03-05, 09:10 AM

Seems to me that the driver did not indicate before turning, biker did not stand a chance.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikecrash55.html

07-03-05, 09:17 AM

That's why you don't overtake past a junction.

mattSV · 07-03-05, 09:22 AM

Mmmmm, not sure about that one - possible 50/50 I think.

The van did not appear to indicate, however

Double yellows down the middle of the road - not sure if they have the same meaning as double white lines in the UK?

There was a sign on the right of the road before the van turned indicating that there was a turning to the left - overtaking on any junction is always going to be risky.

Red ones · 07-03-05, 09:26 AM

Cool.

Double Yellows - naughty boy
MiniVan braking - usually a sign of something about to happen.
Turning to the left - another good sign

In the UK if the other vehicle fails to indicate, or indicates incorrectly, they are not wholly to blame - the responsibility still falls to teh other road user!

07-03-05, 10:30 AM

Yes the biker's fault, he didn't read all the available signs. Hope he was okay though.

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TSM · 07-03-05, 11:24 AM

The car should be to blame because he saw one guy pass and should have looked in his mirror before turning. It also looked more like an emergancy stop then a stupid turn.

It looks like that the bike was not in the cars blind spot at all, probably someone was on the phone.

07-03-05, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

That's why you don't overtake past a junction.

Aye...

Poor guy tho.. that made me cringe...

07-03-05, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSM

The car should be to blame because he saw one guy pass and should have looked in his mirror before turning. It also looked more like an emergancy stop then a stupid turn.

It looks like that the bike was not in the cars blind spot at all, probably someone was on the phone.

Sorry, have to disgree entirely. All the signs were there and they were ignored. Yes the car driver didn't look/signal but as that's a given, it doesn't really enter the equation.

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07-03-05, 11:34 AM

Errm, it may just be my imagination or the compression artifacts, but it looks like the yellow lines go round to the left where the car was going.
Even if they go onwards where the first bike went, it's still the biker's fault.
It's a bugger, because the car should look before making a maneuver, but there were double yellow lines, which I believe mean the same thing as double white lines over here and there was a junction.
Basically, the biker didn't think ahead, which is something we're all guilty of at some point or another.

07-03-05, 11:35 AM

From a training for advanced test riders point of view - NEVER EVER overtake when there are ANY turnings that the vehicle you are overtaking could possibly turn into at the last moment without indicating - cos they may just be idiots

From a car driver with 25 + years experience (and being a biker) - MIRRORS, signal, manouvre - always expect there to be an biker overtaking when they shouldnt be

(well thats my theory anyway

)

oh yes and hope the biker was ok

07-03-05, 09:10 AM	#1
shutdown Guest Posts: n/a	Who's in the wrong? Seems to me that the driver did not indicate before turning, biker did not stand a chance. http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikecrash55.html

07-03-05, 09:22 AM	#3
mattSV Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Darn sarf, innit Posts: 2,025	Mmmmm, not sure about that one - possible 50/50 I think. The van did not appear to indicate, however Double yellows down the middle of the road - not sure if they have the same meaning as double white lines in the UK? There was a sign on the right of the road before the van turned indicating that there was a turning to the left - overtaking on any junction is always going to be risky. __________________ 2000 - 2004 SV650S 2004 - 2009 SV1000S 2009 - 2013 Triumph Sprint ST1050 2013 - 2016 Triumph Explorer 1200 2016 - Ducati Multistrada DVT S

07-03-05, 11:24 AM	#6
TSM The Sick Man Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Peckham.SE.LDN Posts: 4,768	The car should be to blame because he saw one guy pass and should have looked in his mirror before turning. It also looked more like an emergancy stop then a stupid turn. It looks like that the bike was not in the cars blind spot at all, probably someone was on the phone. __________________ OTR: KTM 690 Duke R 2015 Full Akro SIDELINE: Kwak ZX636 A1P 2002, Red, R&G's, Yoshi, Double Bubble Screen GONE: Kwak ZX-7R P1, Full Akro, Undertray, Screen GONE: SV650S K2 Very Bruised & Without Fairing, Motovation Frame Sliders, R&G Ally Sprocket Toe Protector, HEL 2 Line Setup, GSXR K1 600 RWU Forks, Barnett Clutch & Springs, Penske 8981 Shock, Gilles Ti Rearsets, Steel Barends, Scottoiler, AFAM Chain & Sprockets, Twin FIAMM Horns, Skidmarx Bellypan, Full Micron Zeta Steel System, Cut down undertay. Forum Problems & Information / Site Suggestions

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07-03-05, 09:17 AM	#2
Flamin_Squirrel Guest Posts: n/a	That's why you don't overtake past a junction.

07-03-05, 09:26 AM	#4
Red ones Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 1,422	Cool. Double Yellows - naughty boy MiniVan braking - usually a sign of something about to happen. Turning to the left - another good sign In the UK if the other vehicle fails to indicate, or indicates incorrectly, they are not wholly to blame - the responsibility still falls to teh other road user!

07-03-05, 10:30 AM	#5
jonboy Guest Posts: n/a	Yes the biker's fault, he didn't read all the available signs. Hope he was okay though. .

07-03-05, 11:34 AM	#9
Carsick Guest Posts: n/a	Errm, it may just be my imagination or the compression artifacts, but it looks like the yellow lines go round to the left where the car was going. Even if they go onwards where the first bike went, it's still the biker's fault. It's a bugger, because the car should look before making a maneuver, but there were double yellow lines, which I believe mean the same thing as double white lines over here and there was a junction. Basically, the biker didn't think ahead, which is something we're all guilty of at some point or another.

07-03-05, 11:35 AM	#10
ArtyLady Guest Posts: n/a	From a training for advanced test riders point of view - NEVER EVER overtake when there are ANY turnings that the vehicle you are overtaking could possibly turn into at the last moment without indicating - cos they may just be idiots From a car driver with 25 + years experience (and being a biker) - MIRRORS, signal, manouvre - always expect there to be an biker overtaking when they shouldnt be (well thats my theory anyway ) oh yes and hope the biker was ok