Brunstrom yet again

Richard Brunstrom facing calls to quit after claiming Ecstasy safer than aspirin

A controversial police chief is facing calls to quit after claiming Ecstasy is safer than aspirin.

Anti-drugs campaigners condemned the comments by Richard Brunstrom, the chief constable of North Wales Police, who advocates the legalisation of all drugs.
Challenged about the dangers of drugs such as Ecstasy, he said that Government evidence demonstrated it is actually safer than many legally-available substances.
"Ecstasy is a remarkably safe substance - it's far safer than aspirin," he said. "It's easy to find people on both sides of what is really a very heated debate at the moment, I think.

"But if you look at the Government's own research you will find that Ecstasy by comparison to many other substances, legal and illegal, is a comparatively safe substance.
"There is a lot of scare-mongering, rumour-mongering around Ecstasy in particular. It isn't borne out by the evidence. Ecstasy is not a safe substance and I'm not suggesting that it is.
"But it's much less dangerous than for instance, tobacco and alcohol, both of which are freely available."

What a tw*t.

Maybe in small, regulated doses is escstasy ok to be ingested, im a similar way that nitroglycerine is safe for use in the treatment of heart problems in small doses (not enough to blow up, thats for sure). Even so, amount for amount, I'd rather sooth my aches and pains with aspirin, rather then go on a trip with ecstasy.

Ecstasty interfers with receptors in the brain that soak up (if you like) serotonin...with all that serotonin floating about, you feel happy, oh so happy. I'm sure it interferes with other receptos in the brain aswell, disrupting othe neurochemistry.

Aspirin works by inhibiting the enzyme Cyclooxygenase (abreviated to COX, heehee) at the site of pain, preventing the production of prostaglandins (so it also helps to reduce swelling at the same time).

I'll have the drug that dosnt mess with my brain, thanks Mr Brunstidiot

Matt

just wondering... we all love Prince philips quotes, and indeed Mr Bush, will we ever look back on brunstrom in fondness (hopefully he'll be put out of harms way soon)

I think there could be a book written with quotes from all of them

Matt

Originally Posted by injury_ian

just wondering... we all love Prince philips quotes, and indeed Mr Bush, will we ever look back on brunstrom in fondness (hopefully he'll be put out of harms way soon)

Could someone just shoot him and put him out of his misery

[Spiderman]

OK, generaly i agree...the bloke is a pr@!

HOWEVER...he is right that this country's drug policy is based on little more than the old "drugs are bad, dont do drugs" attitude and in some ways the fact that "x"hundred thousand people take these drugs every weekend and live to tell the tale is proof of that. Not all drugs will destroy you/your life/ make you a theif etc.

its a very samll mind that believes thats what happens when you take drugs.

Holland have a sensible approach. In many clubs they have pill testing booths (or at least they used to) where they shave some of your pill and test it for you. OK all they do is tell you how "pure" it is compared to what it should be but at leat their attitude says "OK we know you're gonna do this so we may as well tell you if what you are about to ingest is 90% MDMA & 10% rat poison....just in case the one you have is 80% rat poison & 20% talcum powder"
They treat you as an adult making an informed choice. No amount of Grange Hill kids singing "Just Say No" is gonna stop anyone from taking drugs. And no amount of the same from any Govt will either IMHO.

Originally Posted by Spiderman

80% rat poison & 20% talcum

I don't know much about drugs, but this is my objection to recreational chemical composition drugs and what has lead me to avoid them in my youth, kind of - "I'm not sticking that pill in my mouth, the guy who made it doesn't care if I live or die!" At least with a good old bag of weed you can see and smell what your getting.

It's fine to say that 99.9% of them or whatever are safe, but take your average chemists shelf with little bottles of 50 paracetamol. There will be at least 20 bottles on a stocked shelf. Thats 1000 pills. If one of them was deadly, thats a deadly paracetamol pill in every chemists shop in the country. People would soon stop buying paracetamol if it was only 99.9% safe. Can you imagine it - "Roll up, roll up ladies and gentlemen, come to you local Lloyds the chemist today and play the "PARACETAMOL LOTTERY!", 1 in a 1000 chance of winning a visit to hosptial to get your stomach pumped!"

I suppose a 1000 ecstacy pills get consumed every Saturday night and you don't hear of young people dying on a weekly basis, having said that somebody gets stabbed on the streets Birmingham every Saturday night, but you don't hear about that either, it's so common that it's no longer news worthy. Suppose you'd have to ask somebody that works in an urban casualty dept to find out how much harm recreational drugs really do.

If it's that safe, why does Holland need the pill testing booths? Great idea, but they must have had an issue that caused them to set up such a service in the first place.

There is a lot to be said for legalising certain types of drugs. E is not dangerous at its pure chemical form MDMA, in certain dosages. so yes he is right to say its just as safe as Asprin. How many people die each day due to Alcohol or tobacco, far more than E.Even the most publsised case of death from E Leah bets was because she drank too much water rather than the Chemical of MDMA. She flooded her brain to cause the coma. Infact most cases of people dying rom E are due to it being mixed with other stufff namly rat poisen etc. If you were to take medicinal quality doses of say 100-120mg of pure MDMA it would be safe for almost everyone. Yes there will be people who will have a reaction to it, just like some are to penacilin and other coman drugs. IMO if it was made by someone like GSK and sold in regulated doses, and legal to do so i would not see the problem with it. I would rather do that than get ****ed. And it would be a dam sight safer, less anti social behaviour and random violence. And yes pefore i joined the army i have had plenty of personal experiance of taking E.

[Spiderman]

Wow!

The amount of hatred this bloke brings with anything he says or does made me think that me and Neio would have had one hell of a flmaing by now for standing on the same side of the fence as him.
But thats what i love about this forum....always full of suprises!! lol.

And Neio....thank god you're one of the few who understood why that poor girl Leah died. I was amazed at how the media decided to run with "1 E will kill you, here's the proof"

I was waiting for someone to bring her name into this discussion and i'm just glad you did it first with the right info attached to it not the hysterical "drugs kill" peeps.

As posted in another thread, I went on a course a few months back and part of that course was drug awareness. On that course the tutor told us that in the last year only 2 people have died while doing ecstasy and neither of them were as a direct result of ecstasy. One died the same way as Leah, by drinking too much and the other died by mixing drugs.

So that makes precisely 0 deaths as a direct result of taking E out of the several million people who take it!!

There isn't even any conclusive evidence of long term affects yet, only here say and conjecture.