Neutral selection problem while engine running - SV650.org

23-04-09, 10:25 PM

Hello all,
My gear selection seems to have gotten a bit iffy. The bike has [annoyingly] sat around for ~8mths. I have kept it running, but not out on the road. As such, I now have a problem with the neutral selection. It was always a little stiff, but now it's very bad.

Basically, when the engine is running, I just cannot shift her into neutral and it is very hard to get her out of first while stationary. Once moving, getting her out of first is no problem, and any other gear change is fine.
To summarise the neutral problem, I can get all the way down to first, and then it feels as if the level gets stuck on something and it just will not shift up. If I can get it to move up (with a large toeful), it naturally jumps up to second. At traffic lights and stopping, I have to resort to the side stand to get the engine to stall, then select neutral (and restart).

I have checked the lever movement and it is not restricted. I have a good level of engine oil. I have rechecked the chain and that is fine. I forgot to check the clutch cable and that will be next on the list.

Can you guys think of anything that may be obviously wrong?

dizzyblonde · 23-04-09, 10:29 PM

an oil change might help, if its been sat 8 months. Have you had a good look behind the plastic front sprocket cover to see what mankiness is hiding behind it?

Theres other more technical things to look for, but somebody far more wise will come along and advise about those

23-04-09, 10:34 PM

Cheers DB. I have cleaned out as much as I could see, but that doesn't seem to be affecting it. I do intend to do an oil change, it is really quite dark, but didn't have enough oil left today. I am taking her to get the MOT re-instated (failed last week due to front callipers sticking - full overhaul has remedied that

), so will get more oil. On a side note, will neutral selection affect MOT pass/failure?

dizzyblonde · 23-04-09, 10:39 PM

ermmm I doubt it. Depends on the tester TBH. They're more interested in brakes, and bearings, wheel alignments and horns working than gear selectors. Not something that mine looks at anyway.

Richie · 23-04-09, 10:41 PM

no... as the bike does not have to be running...

23-04-09, 10:43 PM

Yeah, the fussy dealer that failed it last week didn't comment. It is going to a better, more friendly one tomorrow that my family use, so I hope they will be a bit pragmatic.

Anywho, back on topic - I'll try an oil change and clutch cable adjustment when I next get a chance.
Thanks!

Richie · 23-04-09, 10:44 PM

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repo...(VT%2040M).pdf

no need for your engine to be running...

23-04-09, 10:47 PM

Cheers Richie! I didn't even think about that!

Bibio · 23-04-09, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richie

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repository/Motorcycle%20MOT%20Inspection%20Checklist%20(VT%20 40M).pdf

no need for your engine to be running...

ermmm .. emissions test...

dizzyblonde · 23-04-09, 10:53 PM

mine check the kill switch too. But then the centre round the corner I had to use this month never bothered with it.

23-04-09, 10:25 PM	#1
Ben_K Guest Posts: n/a	Neutral selection problem while engine running Hello all, My gear selection seems to have gotten a bit iffy. The bike has [annoyingly] sat around for ~8mths. I have kept it running, but not out on the road. As such, I now have a problem with the neutral selection. It was always a little stiff, but now it's very bad. Basically, when the engine is running, I just cannot shift her into neutral and it is very hard to get her out of first while stationary. Once moving, getting her out of first is no problem, and any other gear change is fine. To summarise the neutral problem, I can get all the way down to first, and then it feels as if the level gets stuck on something and it just will not shift up. If I can get it to move up (with a large toeful), it naturally jumps up to second. At traffic lights and stopping, I have to resort to the side stand to get the engine to stall, then select neutral (and restart). I have checked the lever movement and it is not restricted. I have a good level of engine oil. I have rechecked the chain and that is fine. I forgot to check the clutch cable and that will be next on the list. Can you guys think of anything that may be obviously wrong?

23-04-09, 10:29 PM	#2
dizzyblonde Da Cake Boss Mega Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a flying Horse Posts: 9,992	Re: Neutral selection problem while engine running an oil change might help, if its been sat 8 months. Have you had a good look behind the plastic front sprocket cover to see what mankiness is hiding behind it? Theres other more technical things to look for, but somebody far more wise will come along and advise about those __________________ Suzy, yellow 2001 SVS. Kitty, V-Raptor 1000, ZZR1400<<its my bike now Pegasus! Hovis 13.8.75-3.10.09 Reeder 20.7.88-21.3.12

23-04-09, 10:34 PM	#3
Ben_K Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Neutral selection problem while engine running Cheers DB. I have cleaned out as much as I could see, but that doesn't seem to be affecting it. I do intend to do an oil change, it is really quite dark, but didn't have enough oil left today. I am taking her to get the MOT re-instated (failed last week due to front callipers sticking - full overhaul has remedied that ), so will get more oil. On a side note, will neutral selection affect MOT pass/failure?

23-04-09, 10:39 PM	#4
dizzyblonde Da Cake Boss Mega Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a flying Horse Posts: 9,992	Re: Neutral selection problem while engine running ermmm I doubt it. Depends on the tester TBH. They're more interested in brakes, and bearings, wheel alignments and horns working than gear selectors. Not something that mine looks at anyway. __________________ Suzy, yellow 2001 SVS. Kitty, V-Raptor 1000, ZZR1400<<its my bike now Pegasus! Hovis 13.8.75-3.10.09 Reeder 20.7.88-21.3.12

23-04-09, 10:41 PM	#5
Richie fantabulas Mega Poster Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Nr Durham Posts: 4,940	Re: Neutral selection problem while engine running no... as the bike does not have to be running... __________________ My Flickr photos

23-04-09, 10:43 PM	#6
Ben_K Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Neutral selection problem while engine running Yeah, the fussy dealer that failed it last week didn't comment. It is going to a better, more friendly one tomorrow that my family use, so I hope they will be a bit pragmatic. Anywho, back on topic - I'll try an oil change and clutch cable adjustment when I next get a chance. Thanks!

23-04-09, 10:44 PM	#7
Richie fantabulas Mega Poster Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Nr Durham Posts: 4,940	Re: Neutral selection problem while engine running http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repo...(VT%2040M).pdf no need for your engine to be running... __________________ My Flickr photos

23-04-09, 10:47 PM	#8
Ben_K Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Neutral selection problem while engine running Cheers Richie! I didn't even think about that!

23-04-09, 10:53 PM	#10
dizzyblonde Da Cake Boss Mega Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a flying Horse Posts: 9,992	Re: Neutral selection problem while engine running mine check the kill switch too. But then the centre round the corner I had to use this month never bothered with it. __________________ Suzy, yellow 2001 SVS. Kitty, V-Raptor 1000, ZZR1400<<its my bike now Pegasus! Hovis 13.8.75-3.10.09 Reeder 20.7.88-21.3.12

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