I'm speechless...

[BillyC]

I don't believe this, I really am dumbfounded and shocked at this decision.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8388077.stm

A decision, made by a reasoned Judge / Magistrate. I'm appalled. Instigated by a Conversative LibDem council... it's the kind of actions I'd expect from New Labour.

I'm physically sickened to read this.

[jambo]

Camden are currently doing something quite impressive.

I've always claimed when I come to power I will put Westminster council up against the wall as an example to others. However, Camden are actually making me consider them the more worthy of being used to prove this point.

Quite an achievement given my long-standing disagreement with Westminster's total lack of honesty and integrity.

Jambo

[BillyC]

Given that it has been recognised that Dr Dawood owns the "sub soil", but not the paving on top of it, and it is now recognised as publicly usable land - I propose that he should start charging Camden rent.

To bring things up to date, I would suggest an initial figure of £10,000, and £1,000 per annum thereafter.


I'm still disgusted... this is literally disgusting. It's nothing short of theft and extortion.

Even this annoyed me now....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8109882.stm

Cheers...

Originally Posted by Sosha

Even this annoyed me now....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8109882.stm

Cheers...

Totally agree is it not a matter for the police to decide if the vehicle is parked in a dangerous postion? It looks like now those who are meant to serve us will use any means, to get hold of our harded earned.

But as per Billy's link if they are talking about going to people's land which is their's to give a tickect. Surley that is trespass?

[BillyC]

This isn't just a few parking attendents being challenged by the occupants of a street... this is the ruling from a court. It's really very serious and potentially has an impact on the whole population. It sets a very concerning precident in law.

[timwilky]

Isn't somebody on the org also having similar arguments about parking their bike on private land and being ticketed because there is public access?

[Spiderman]

Billy, good find mate. I may well try and get in touch with the good doctor as i have documents from the NAEA national association of estate agents) as well as from Land Registry that say a "freehold" effectively means "ownership of the land from the core of the earth to the upper limits of the atmosphere" so if he owns that land freehold he should take that argument to appeal too. Chances are those he only owns the leasehold and thus it becomes a grey area.

Its a ridiculous ruling for sure as this issue had been contested before and the ruling prior to this was that if there are signs clearly displayed that make say this is private land then you can park there. I've argued and won a ticket on this basis a few times.

If the good doctor was smart he'd continue to park there and ensure that both his wheels are off the ground, since the definition of parking is having one or more wheels on the pavement. All he'd have to do is get an extended centre stand and balance his bike well

I don't see the issue. The article say's the guy is effectively parking on the pavement and there is a free motorcycle bay a few metres away. He's parking there because he can't be bothered to walk the few metres.

He could have avoided a lot of wasted time and money by parking in the free cycle bay. I have no sympathy.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by carty

I don't see the issue. The article say's the guy is effectively parking on the pavement ...

No mate, you missed the point. The area he parks on is HIS land, its part of his building in the same way as say a cafe or greengrocers have the right to use the section outside their premises.
Camden have effectively (probably thru the use of some funny handshakes no doubt) got a ruling saying he only owns the soil under the paving slabs out there and by parking on the slabs he's not parking on his own land.

Also if you saw how some of the bike bays are used you too would not want to park you bike in one. Well not unless you like the idea of returning to your bike to find it scratched and dented from other scooter riders forcing their bikes into spaces that are way too small.