an environmental rant..

I sit on the fence reagrding global warming however I get constantly wound up about the persistant going green on everything as its "better"

I agree that this planet has limited recourses and we should use as little fuel as possible, and in general should be carefull with recourses however this is where it gets my goat..

we are told to scrap our cars which use more fuel and maybe are a little tired and to buy new ones, but as far as I know no one has published the actual full picture re the Co2 it takes to manufacture deliver, fuel, service a new car compared with running and eventually scraping the old car and I for one believe very strongly if it aint broke dont fix it, does the fuel a new car saves really pay back the extra manufacture C02 etc etc...

what makes my blood boil that the neivity of people who believe battery powered hybrids are environmentally friendly, the sources I have read indicate that the 100k cycle of a hybrid including mining the lithium etc etc is a lot more damaging than running and maufacturing a hummer for 100k miles. my standard non lithium powered oil burner diesel returns 54mpg thats about what these over hyped hybrids manage in the real world...

Exactly the same for boilers, scrap ur old one, buy a new one but really why? environmentally does it actually stack up.. I mean serioulsy if were taliking C02 please someone show me the figures which validate these claims of helping the environment.

why cant we have constructive information to base our decisions on.. like full life cycle c02 pictures, etc.

how about tyres with another 1mm of tread, this way they last another 3000 miles on the same carcass etc.

I just cannot fathom why ppl accept these unbacked up claims that newer is better on full life cycle c02 production..

that is of course if c02 is actually an issue and its not that the earth is getting closer to the sun like the germans think.. vorsprungderchwarming...

anywho my fence is pointy..

discuss

(this is based on misc readings and no sciency stuff combined with my own opinionated opinions)

.

[widepants]

Originally Posted by 454697819

.

lol ...saw it before you did the edit

[Bibio]

M O N E Y. the powers that be dont give a fek about us or the planet they just want out CASH. so be a good tree huger folks and get your cash out and spend spend spend.

Originally Posted by 454697819

why cant we have constructive information to base our decisions on.. like full life cycle c02 pictures, etc.

I think this is the most important part of your rant, and the part I certainly agree with.

New prius or carry on with the old 306 diesel? Not that I am in a position to make such a choice, but the data is not out there (or reaidly available) to figure which is a 'better' decision.

Not entirely sure about global warming, but as someone smarter than me has said before, I have yet to see the evidence that pumping more stuff into the atmosphere is good. So how do we make decisions without proper info?

I have used much carbon dioxide saying this many times, does not matter what we do in regards to carbon emissions in this country, it will NEVER make a difference as we contribute 0.2% of the worlds carbon emissions, we could stop all our emissions 100% and it wouldnt make the slightest difference.

Now recyclings another matter, very limited space for landfill so we have to, end of.

Whats boils my carrotts is, we used to be taxed on our fuel, on our gas guzzlers etc etc due to them not being green so the money would help the environment, bolox, this is just another revenue raiser and nothing gets done to the environment.
Some tree hugger was on the telly the other day saying if everybody bought electric cars how is the governmentgonna collect its taxes if they cant tax fuel, he wanted road pricing instead so everybody paid, so what be the incentive for an electric car again?

Then they announce the M6 toll has failed and hardly anyone will use it, no sh1te sherlock, get it opened up for everybody and stop under investing on our roads and there wont be tons and tons of fuel being wasted sitting in traffic.

[Bibio]

but they want us to sit in traffic wasting fuel as it generates more revenue to pay for their monkeys that sit in an office doing nowt so they can say one less person on the dole.

On average prodcuing a lithium battery for a hybrid car, and transporting it etc, uses the same amount of Co2 as running two average cars for around 75000 miles each, hmm green?
also these hybrid, the new Auris hybrid claims to have an mpg of 74, yet on test drives, the highest recorded was 45, and the lowest 5, on the same 10 mile journey.and the battery only works upto 27mph, and if you are using less than 33% of combined power (45.3bhp). How often do you do that or less unless your in london??
I agree with being nice to the planet and all that, put this push in reducing car emissions if rubbish, and the electric route is laughable.

burn it, waste it, throw it away, and abuse all resources

hey it wont be my problem will it

Originally Posted by 454697819

we are told to scrap our cars which use more fuel and maybe are a little tired and to buy new ones, but as far as I know no one has published the actual full picture re the Co2 it takes to manufacture deliver, fuel, service a new car compared with running and eventually scraping the old car and I for one believe very strongly if it aint broke dont fix it, does the fuel a new car saves really pay back the extra manufacture C02 etc etc...

what makes my blood boil that the neivity of people who believe battery powered hybrids are environmentally friendly, the sources I have read indicate that the 100k cycle of a hybrid including mining the lithium etc etc is a lot more damaging than running and maufacturing a hummer for 100k miles. my standard non lithium powered oil burner diesel returns 54mpg thats about what these over hyped hybrids manage in the real world...

Exactly the same for boilers, scrap ur old one, buy a new one but really why? environmentally does it actually stack up.. I mean serioulsy if were taliking C02 please someone show me the figures which validate these claims of helping the environment.

why cant we have constructive information to base our decisions on.. like full life cycle c02 pictures, etc.

Great discussion!

You can get these figures but there not easy to find I remember watching a programme that put a 10 year old 1.6 focus against a new Honda Hybrid thingy and they worked out you would have to drive 96,000 miles to break even on the emissions trade of!

If the electric car thingy makes your blood boil this might make your p*ss boil aswell! A modern car engine is 40% efficient as in 10kW of Fuel after the combustion cycle becomes 4kW of actual measured work done, Now electric from the national grid is also 40% efficient so again 10kW of fossil fuels is burnt to get 4kW of energy from the plug you charge your car up!! So why is it green? because people dont see smoke coming out the exhaust and think its great, not to mention your point about the mining!

As for condensing boilers in your home? complete cr*p they rarely condense, usually only on a seriously cold day or when you use instaneous hot water from the boiler, they will only condense when running at 80%+ of there load usually they will only run at 40 - 50% so dont condense and rarely achieve the 90%+ efficiency they claim!

And your last comment of my quote I completely agree what about the emissions trade off from local fruit and veg against something flown in from south america? or manufacturing emissions we should all be able to make informed decisions instead of being mislead into thinking were being green!

However I do beleive in global warning, watch An inconvenient Truth, a couple of times and it goes some way to understanding the problems we face!

Take the hydro carbon propellants that were used in deodrants and hair sprays etc, a picture of the damage around the north pole from the 80's showed significant damage to the ozone layer and was linked to these propellents, since the ban a new image has been recorded in the last decade showing a 90% repair!

So from an extremely small angle (when compared to this massive debate) we should be looking at what we do and what effects it has on the environment because once our environment is gone we will be gone!

Done..... for the moment until im criticised!