Who supports the Unions uprising?

Just wondering really, they are thinking that they will get support but im not so sure tbh...

Anyway vote, have your say etc.


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its like were becoming french

Originally Posted by davepreston

its like were becoming french

without any of the perks.

[timwilky]

A big dose of reality is needed. There is only one way to reduce debt and stop adding to it, and that is to cut expenditure. Where cuts have been identified locally, I have to admit surprise that the bureaucracy of local government etc has permit such waste of tax and rate payers money.

They are assuming it is the responsibility of public service to provide jobs. No it is the responsibility of public services to identify and prioritise need and to put in place the resources to eliminate need within the budget available. For some reason the previous government decided that they should spend their way out of recession. That has left a legacy that need to be paid for.

[Bri w]

For me its not about the deficit recovery but it is about democracy. I didn't vote to be governed by a union. And the unions didn't receive a mandate from the majority of the people to act on their behalf.

Totally wrong imo

Originally Posted by timwilky

A big dose of reality is needed. There is only one way to reduce debt and stop adding to it, and that is to cut expenditure. Where cuts have been identified locally, I have to admit surprise that the bureaucracy of local government etc has permit such waste of tax and rate payers money.

They are assuming it is the responsibility of public service to provide jobs. No it is the responsibility of public services to identify and prioritise need and to put in place the resources to eliminate need within the budget available. For some reason the previous government decided that they should spend their way out of recession. That has left a legacy that need to be paid for.

Originally Posted by Bri w

For me its not about the deficit recovery but it is about democracy. I didn't vote to be governed by a union. And the unions didn't receive a mandate from the majority of the people to act on their behalf.

Totally wrong imo

Totally agree!

I had toi laugh at the radio yesterday. There were half a dozen people who were interviewed that brought up the "Of course its better if they have a job instead of being on the dole. They'd be paying tax!" argument.

Now these people must think the civil servants get paid from where? Yes, thats right, the government. So they haven't twigged that the govermnment would save money by paying them Dole intead of a full wage and taking tax.

They also don't seem to realise that if there isn't the money to afford them, the have to go.

However, I do think they should be sorted out with a Private sector jobs before the cuts are made (by putting the conditions in place for small employers to actually grow and require more staff. At the moment they are so stiffled its not funny.)

The smart ones will have already sharted to jump ship, leaving all the no- hopers in the system. Not good for the system.

C`

[Drew Carey]

Agree with everything above.

My concern however is that......and yes this is a mass generalisation (no offence meant to anyone)....but; all the Sun reading, dole recieveing, 5-10 kids, don't want to work......type of people will read the rag and support it. So on that basis the media is unlikely to report the air of discontent against the unions.

Why should they when everyone would appear to be "moaning" at the Govt!!!! Its a shame that ordinary people who work hard, in the private sector won't really have their opinion heard and so it WILL look like the unions are supported based on the media output.

Like it or lump it, people will lose jobs. Why should every single person working in the private sector have to pay higher taxes etc if unions force the govt to back down? They shouldn't, its the one reason why I have always turned away from job offers in the public area......because when Govt's change, people lose jobs. They just need to deal with that and move on. As per berlin's post.....the good ones who are top drawer will be poached by private sector anyway.

I am in the public sector and am having to deal with cuts to my budgets and a pay freeze on my already poor pay, but I know that it needs to be done in order for the country to sort itself out so I (and a great deal of my colleagues) have not moaned about any of this once. We are all pleased to be retaining our jobs (at the moment).

One thing that has upset me a bit though is that our Senior Management kept hold of their 10% bonuses...

My budgets largely get spent with private sector companies though so any cuts on me also effects the private sector.

Really winds me up when I see w****** like Bob crow and that scouse monkey Tony Woodley spouting off because some of their members might be losing their jobs or not getting enough of a pay rise.

Don't get me started on London Underground staff...or BA cabin crew!

[Drew Carey]

Originally Posted by krhall

One thing that has upset me a bit though is that our Senior Management kept hold of their 10% bonuses...

That really is ridiculous. Times like this, when its Govt money if they are making cuts all should lose their bonuses.