Interesting thread discussing new test

See here: http://motovlog.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1735&hilit=mod1

Really interesting read...first few posts about mod 1 but then the discussion moves onto making CBTs compulsory for everyone wanting to be on the road...)some saying even 12 months compulsory experience on a scooter!) as that would mean those ignorant cage drivers would know what it was like to be as vulnerable on the road as a rider and perhaps generally be more aware of bikers.

I don't think it's a bad idea - the CBT for everyone not the mandatory 12 months on a 'ped!) as it has the potential to greatly improve people outlook on the road today but then how long would it last? If they don't choose to take up biking after the CBT, they'd probably only loose what knowledge and awareness they did acquire and go from being nicely aware of everything in the first few weeks to being a dimwit again...

What do we think?

p.s. sorry for the link to a bit of bad language...gloss over it if you will

I'd agree with that - perhaps not a CBT or test, but as part of the process of getting a car licence at least an idea of how it feels to be other types of road user (both bigger and smaller - you never know, you might get more people interested).

I note though that no-one there mentioned the changes coming in the 3rd driving licence directive from the EU - the 2 years and automatic upgrade would be coming to an end under that. Lots of other nastiness to come in there too

[andrewsmith]

I think this is one of those can of worms discussions

I'm for cage drivers to some form of smaller vehicle cbt.

as orose has said the Biking licensing is changing again. Why not the Car licence for a change and make it like a Scandinavian style system that would be a meaningful change.

It's always the 'cage drivers' isn't it? Never the statistic on a 50cc ped overtaking over speed bumps with parked cars on both sides of the road, or one wheel warriors over the cat n fiddle.

How about making a car CBT compulsory for bike riders, so that you have the experience of how being insulated from your surroundings influences your decision making?


How about NOT letting people on the road unaccompanied on two wheels with L plates? Doesn't happen in cars does it?

[andrewsmith]

If you work on statistics more bikers are killed to car drivers.

But the flipside is that I had a car licence before my bike licence, I had a few work colleagues that were bikers and ex bikers that suggested doing the cbt.

The CBT teaches a damm sight more on observation than the car test and i immediately found i was driving a car like a bike and watching a lot more

Originally Posted by amnesia

It's always the 'cage drivers' isn't it? Never the statistic on a 50cc ped overtaking over speed bumps with parked cars on both sides of the road, or one wheel warriors over the cat n fiddle.

I so rarely use the word "cage" when in reference to car drivers, trust me to be picked up on it the time I do Only did that as I was still simmering from being barged out of a lane by some ignorant tw4t earlier on today so I truly am sorry if I come across as arrogant.

Originally Posted by amnesia

How about NOT letting people on the road unaccompanied on two wheels with L plates? Doesn't happen in cars does it?

What so they should have a responsible pillion who's been riding for 3 years? They should go everywhere supervised for the first 6 months? Oh, and while you're at it, how many people on 2 wheels do you see with a mobile phone copped to the side of their earhole while moseying on round a roundabout?

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by amnesia

How about NOT letting people on the road unaccompanied on two wheels with L plates? Doesn't happen in cars does it?

Yeah take away the only freedom open to people who can't afford a full license, that's a good idea.


I'm of the opinion that it's all b*llocks anyway. Making it harder and harder for people to get on with their life, sodding EU giving us a load of laws we don't want, don't need and can't pay for. Sprout munching tossers, I hope they sh*t a hedgehog.

Originally Posted by andrewsmith

If you work on statistics more bikers are killed to car drivers.

But the flipside is that I had a car licence before my bike licence, I had a few work colleagues that were bikers and ex bikers that suggested doing the cbt.

The CBT teaches a damm sight more on observation than the car test and i immediately found i was driving a car like a bike and watching a lot more

Fully agree, i have been preaching about this for the last 2 years since i passed my test.
Even though i passed my driving test in 1989, i believe my driving has improved a hell of a lot in the last 2 years.

As far as I am concerned, all peds should be gathered together and BURNT as they are accidents waiting to happen and 16 year olds, on the whole, are a pain in the **** when let out on these crappy machines! There should be far more restrictions on car drivers, newly qualified, with speed limiters fitted to their vehicles and curfews on young drivers unless for essential journeys, some insurance companies already offer reduced rates for youngsters prepared to undergo a curfew (I wonder why?)

Likewise there should be extra testing and restrictions on bikes to stop new bikers jumping straight on powerful sports bikes that they have no hope of understanding or riding safely, they should earn their right to ride more powerful bikes through experience and knowledge.
I like riding fast and getting on powerful machines but I have the experience and common sense to choose carefully where and how, it seems to me that there are too many numpties out there who haven't and don't. I was lucky enough to have spent my first 15 years or so of riding in an age when a 650cc was a big bike, so I cut my teeth on machines that were a tad easier to handle and a bit more forgiving of my mistakes.
Sometimes people need protecting from themselves and if they don't think so then my kids definately need protecting form them!!

Originally Posted by Weirdfish

There should be far more restrictions on car drivers, newly qualified, with speed limiters fitted to their vehicles and curfews on young drivers unless for essential journeys, some insurance companies already offer reduced rates for youngsters prepared to undergo a curfew (I wonder why?)

And restrictions on the passengers they can have immediately after passing i.e. none for first few months or similar.