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Old 14-02-16, 12:14 PM   #1
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Hi guys, so I've only just remembered about this. It happened about 2 weeks ago and thought I'd share it with anybody who's interested..

It was about 6:30, heading home from work - had just been riding about 35 miles in atrocious weather. Pulled up at a roundabout and stopped as a car was coming a bit fast. Before I know it, some guy in a merc has rear ended me..

I didn't bother pulling over, but I did get his number plate.. Upon initial inspection, there was no damage. Although, after a week or so my bike was handling terrible and it turned out I had a flat tyre. This may or may not be caused because of this accident, but it appears that there is no damage on the outside of the tyre. I've pumped it back up and there are no leaks/further damage, so I don't know how it lost its' air.

Anyway, that discussion is in a separate thread here: http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=221136


Well, here's the video for anybody interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVnUvKF26X8&app=desktop

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Old 14-02-16, 03:45 PM   #2
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I didn't bother pulling over,
Why didn't you stop and exchange details/check for damage at the time?
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Old 14-02-16, 03:56 PM   #3
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Why didn't you stop and exchange details/check for damage at the time?
Because I was knackered, just got out of a downpour and really wasn't feeling in the mood to stop and check. I had his license plate anyway so if there was damage I would have just gone to the police/insurance. Besides, it was about 5 minutes away from my house, so I stopped and checked for damage when I got to my garage
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Old 14-02-16, 03:58 PM   #4
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What a f*ck*ng tw*t in the Merc. SV tail-lights will be RIGHT at their eye level too.

That said, I don't think that the impact would have damaged the tyre. Luckily he was only going about walking pace when he shunted you. But much faster than that and he'd have punted you off.
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Old 14-02-16, 03:59 PM   #5
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Yep that's not a defence that will work for should you late report the insurance or the police.

You have failed to stop after an accident.
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Old 14-02-16, 04:08 PM   #6
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What a f*ck*ng tw*t in the Merc. SV tail-lights will be RIGHT at their eye level too.

That said, I don't think that the impact would have damaged the tyre. Luckily he was only going about walking pace when he shunted you. But much faster than that and he'd have punted you off.
Yeah, people really need to pay more attention. He was following me for a good while too so he obviously knew that I was in front of him. Yeah, as far as I can tell there is no damage at all to the tyre/rim. But in the last week I've been riding on a flat and the cause for it is unknown. I thought it may be a result of this bump but I'm not sure. I pumped it back up and there are no leaks so I really don't know lol.

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Yep that's not a defence that will work for should you late report the insurance or the police.

You have failed to stop after an accident.
And what good would it have been checking for damage in the dark, when I could just take it to my garage where there's a light so I can inspect it properly? I don't think they'd have a problem with me reporting the accident 5 minutes after it happened; especially with conclusive evidence such as a video.

Also, just to remind you, this was about 2 weeks ago as I have already mentioned.. I have no intention of reporting it because there was no damage anyway.
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Old 14-02-16, 05:47 PM   #7
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Just to clear up a point about the stopping. The law requires the driver of any vehicle that has caused damage to another vehicle to stop. This is regardless of who is to "blame" for the collision, so ironically if the Mercedes driver gets home and finds damage to his vehicle then the Op could potentially be in trouble. Obviously if no damage is caused to another vehicle (and no injury to another person either) then there is no obligation to stop, but I would suggest in this example it was potentially a bit reckless of the Op to not stop and check.

As a side note, and this isn't a direct criticism of the OP, just an observation, it's an extremely bad idea to stop a bike on any part of the road generally used by other traffic, especially in the dark and/or rain. In this example as I approached this roundabout I would have anticipated needing to stop and positioned myself right over to the offside of the lane, practically on the markings, so if someone behind for whatever reason doesn't see me or stop I'm not in the firing line. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and its easy for me to say this sat in an armchair at home, but having spent a career learning from other peoples mistakes I can promise you it's a whole lot better than making them yourself. Glad the OP is OK though.
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Old 14-02-16, 06:32 PM   #8
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Just to clear up a point about the stopping. The law requires the driver of any vehicle that has caused damage to another vehicle to stop. This is regardless of who is to "blame" for the collision, so ironically if the Mercedes driver gets home and finds damage to his vehicle then the Op could potentially be in trouble. Obviously if no damage is caused to another vehicle (and no injury to another person either) then there is no obligation to stop, but I would suggest in this example it was potentially a bit reckless of the Op to not stop and check.

As a side note, and this isn't a direct criticism of the OP, just an observation, it's an extremely bad idea to stop a bike on any part of the road generally used by other traffic, especially in the dark and/or rain. In this example as I approached this roundabout I would have anticipated needing to stop and positioned myself right over to the offside of the lane, practically on the markings, so if someone behind for whatever reason doesn't see me or stop I'm not in the firing line. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and its easy for me to say this sat in an armchair at home, but having spent a career learning from other peoples mistakes I can promise you it's a whole lot better than making them yourself. Glad the OP is OK though.
I accept your criticism, however I failed to mention this as I found it irrelevant at the time of posting:

I noticed he followed me for a while after the accident so I did pull over to see if he wanted to stop too, but he didn't. So I continued to go home.

Also, you say the driver who caused damage to another vehicle has to stop; in this case, he was the one who was the cause of ANY damage, so it would be his responsibility to stop.

I don't think it was reckless at all considering it was such a low speed collision. If he shunted me any harder it would have been a different story.

He even acknowledged he was in the wrong by putting his hands up when I turned around.. If he did report the accident I have it backed up on camera. If I didn't have my camera on, I would have more than likely stopped.


@your side note. Usually I do position myself to the side to avoid these types of accidents, but everybody makes mistakes. I'll also add, I've been riding for only 1 year so I admit I have a lot to learn. Thanks for the opinion anyway
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Old 14-02-16, 07:12 PM   #9
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Alex, like I said it wasn't a criticism of your riding, I just thought that given you've been brave enough to post up the incident it would be a shame if I didn't mention it, as I said hindsight is a great thing..... Loads of people think it's good to take a central position to "dominate" the road so if just one of them changes their behaviour as a result of seeing this then it's a job well done.

With regard to the crash you need to separate the word "cause" from blame. Yes he "caused" the crash by running into you, no question about that and nobody is ever going to put liability your way over this, however any damage to his vehicle would have been "caused" by your rear wheel. Section 170 RTA is very clear on this, if owing to the presence of a vehicle on a road (your bike) damage is caused to another vehicle (the Merc) then the driver of that vehicle must stop. It then goes on to discuss providing details and reporting etc but that is completely additional to the stopping bit. Basically if you don't stop you're potentially in the poo, regardless of whose fault it was, and regardless of whether you report it as soon as practicable or in any case within 24 hours. Like I said, glad you came out of it OK. Last one I went to like that was a fatal, the motorcyclist got punted out into the path of the vehicle he had stopped to give way to......
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Alex, like I said it wasn't a criticism of your riding, I just thought that given you've been brave enough to post up the incident it would be a shame if I didn't mention it, as I said hindsight is a great thing..... Loads of people think it's good to take a central position to "dominate" the road so if just one of them changes their behaviour as a result of seeing this then it's a job well done.

With regard to the crash you need to separate the word "cause" from blame. Yes he "caused" the crash by running into you, no question about that and nobody is ever going to put liability your way over this, however any damage to his vehicle would have been "caused" by your rear wheel. Section 170 RTA is very clear on this, if owing to the presence of a vehicle on a road (your bike) damage is caused to another vehicle (the Merc) then the driver of that vehicle must stop. It then goes on to discuss providing details and reporting etc but that is completely additional to the stopping bit. Basically if you don't stop you're potentially in the poo, regardless of whose fault it was, and regardless of whether you report it as soon as practicable or in any case within 24 hours. Like I said, glad you came out of it OK. Last one I went to like that was a fatal, the motorcyclist got punted out into the path of the vehicle he had stopped to give way to......
No problem, sorry if I came across on the defensive side. I appreciate that uploading things like this will attract both positive and negative attention, along with some criticism. If any other riders can learn something useful from this, then that's fine by me.

I must add, I don't usually take up the 'central position' to assert dominance over the lane, I prefer to stick towards the side of the road and encourage other riders to do so to avoid accidents like this. I just happened to be in the middle at that particular point in time.

Thanks for confirming the information on that section of the law, I didn't realise you had to stop for something so insignificant. If it was any harder then I definitely would have stopped. However, I did mention that I pulled over to see if he wanted to talk as he seemed to follow me for a while, but he just drove right by me. I'm not sure if that causes a complication in that section of the law, because I did technically stop; but not right away. (I have that on video if you want to view that bit too)

Either way, live and learn. It was my first accident, so at least I can take from it and learn . But everything is okay, including myself; so I guess that's what counts. Any harder and he may have forced me in front of the car coming across the roundabout.
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