Careful what you say online about MCN.. - SV650.org

13-06-06, 09:18 PM

http://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268576

13-06-06, 09:46 PM

I think it's a pertinent reminder that we ought to always be careful about what we post. It's all too easy to rant with unrestrained vigour and passion, but this can often be libellous, so please always think about your own welfare and also that of SV650.org.

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anna · 13-06-06, 10:27 PM

.. to add to this and be completely boring ... but at this current time it has not been tested in the courts about what gets said a forum environment however it is widely anticipated that should anything get that far that the courts will take the opinion that the mods/admin of a site act as editors of the forum and therefore are liable for what gets said.. not necessarily the individual that originally may have expressed their opinion!

northwind · 13-06-06, 10:32 PM

Hmm, I'm not sure if I actually posted the post I wrote, or if the MCN erased it with their EMP weapons. Anyway, just to say that the link's possibly not work safe due to some cuss words.

13-06-06, 11:58 PM

So...what if you were to start everything with "I think" so as to state it is an opinion only? Would that still be frowned upon? I know a lot of folk don't do this when giving their opinion on anything, from bikes to certain publications which would perhaps imply that what was posted is fact.

Or is it still treading on thin ice?

Genuinely interested.

Having said that, the VD bunch are rather vocal, it's no wonder.

northwind · 14-06-06, 12:13 AM

"allegedly" doesn't work, repeating a libel can still be considered libel. But reporting facts is expressly not libel, and I believe neither is stating an opinion in most cases. "I think you're a ****" is not usually pursuable, if I remember right. "You're a ****", likewise, not pursuable. "You're a thief", libellous if untrue.

14-06-06, 12:20 AM

Firstly, I've not been on VD since last autumn I think so what was said there remains a mystery to me but I get the jist.

Jeez, one day we'll only be allowed to praise things to the hilt - otherwise keep schtum.

An example: Say, if you bought a new set of tyres and they just felt bloody awful on your SV, you'd maybe put a post on here saying as much. You're passing on your opinion to others who can accept/reject it at will. So if the manufacturer finds this thread and objects to your personal view they can drop a threatening letter to admin and the thread is gone in minutes.

Indeed, I suppose this has actually happened, even on more benign forums than VD. A forum is not a place of unquestionable fact, just a collection of opinions.

Skip · 14-06-06, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haggis

A forum is not a place of unquestionable fact, just a collection of opinions.

Last time I heard it was a country where we were entitled to our own opinions!

anna · 14-06-06, 08:23 AM

To express an opinion is obviously allowed however, in the eyes of the law (and i think it's a bit daft too!) on forums you are deemed to be doing more then just expressing your opinion as it is written down.

This again is where the law is a bit behind the times as it sees anything written down as being treated differently than say a conversation in a pub! - The idea being that if you were to be having a conversation in a pub that particular conversation may be only overheard by a handful of people.. however something written in an internet forum can be viewed by hundreds of people.

Therfore anything written within a forum arena no matter of the contents and possible caveat's that are put upon those opinions by the individual are still written and, therefore a liable claim could follow should a company wish to pursue a matter.

14-06-06, 08:30 AM

Hmmm, and people say we have freedom of speech.

NO no no, bad girl. Naughty K. Now you can go back to bed without any lunch as you'll just get things all political again you naughty, naughty person you. Go. Shoo. Someone's going to have to slap you for this!

13-06-06, 09:18 PM	#1
Razor Guest Posts: n/a	Careful what you say online about MCN.. http://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268576

13-06-06, 10:32 PM	#4
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	Hmm, I'm not sure if I actually posted the post I wrote, or if the MCN erased it with their EMP weapons. Anyway, just to say that the link's possibly not work safe due to some cuss words. __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

14-06-06, 12:13 AM	#6
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	"allegedly" doesn't work, repeating a libel can still be considered libel. But reporting facts is expressly not libel, and I believe neither is stating an opinion in most cases. "I think you're a **" is not usually pursuable, if I remember right. "You're a **", likewise, not pursuable. "You're a thief", libellous if untrue. __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

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13-06-06, 09:46 PM	#2
jonboy Guest Posts: n/a	I think it's a pertinent reminder that we ought to always be careful about what we post. It's all too easy to rant with unrestrained vigour and passion, but this can often be libellous, so please always think about your own welfare and also that of SV650.org. .

13-06-06, 10:27 PM	#3
anna Member Mega Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tower Hamlets but with Shutters on the windows Posts: 1,522	.. to add to this and be completely boring ... but at this current time it has not been tested in the courts about what gets said a forum environment however it is widely anticipated that should anything get that far that the courts will take the opinion that the mods/admin of a site act as editors of the forum and therefore are liable for what gets said.. not necessarily the individual that originally may have expressed their opinion!

13-06-06, 11:58 PM	#5
instigator Guest Posts: n/a	So...what if you were to start everything with "I think" so as to state it is an opinion only? Would that still be frowned upon? I know a lot of folk don't do this when giving their opinion on anything, from bikes to certain publications which would perhaps imply that what was posted is fact. Or is it still treading on thin ice? Genuinely interested. Having said that, the VD bunch are rather vocal, it's no wonder.

14-06-06, 12:20 AM	#7
haggis Guest Posts: n/a	Firstly, I've not been on VD since last autumn I think so what was said there remains a mystery to me but I get the jist. Jeez, one day we'll only be allowed to praise things to the hilt - otherwise keep schtum. An example: Say, if you bought a new set of tyres and they just felt bloody awful on your SV, you'd maybe put a post on here saying as much. You're passing on your opinion to others who can accept/reject it at will. So if the manufacturer finds this thread and objects to your personal view they can drop a threatening letter to admin and the thread is gone in minutes. Indeed, I suppose this has actually happened, even on more benign forums than VD. A forum is not a place of unquestionable fact, just a collection of opinions.

14-06-06, 08:23 AM	#9
anna Member Mega Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tower Hamlets but with Shutters on the windows Posts: 1,522	To express an opinion is obviously allowed however, in the eyes of the law (and i think it's a bit daft too!) on forums you are deemed to be doing more then just expressing your opinion as it is written down. This again is where the law is a bit behind the times as it sees anything written down as being treated differently than say a conversation in a pub! - The idea being that if you were to be having a conversation in a pub that particular conversation may be only overheard by a handful of people.. however something written in an internet forum can be viewed by hundreds of people. Therfore anything written within a forum arena no matter of the contents and possible caveat's that are put upon those opinions by the individual are still written and, therefore a liable claim could follow should a company wish to pursue a matter.

14-06-06, 08:30 AM	#10
K Guest Posts: n/a	Hmmm, and people say we have freedom of speech. NO no no, bad girl. Naughty K. Now you can go back to bed without any lunch as you'll just get things all political again you naughty, naughty person you. Go. Shoo. Someone's going to have to slap you for this!