Got This In The Post Today

Murk might have been the wrong word, but overcast conditions do not fall into the required by law category, and I certainly wouldn't ride without headlights on a day like that. A bike with its lights on is 10 times more noticeable than one without, particularly against a broken up backdrop, other traffic, or under shadows. Surely we'd all agree with that. They don't blind people on dipped beam either. I don't see the problem.
Sorry to derail further.

[Lissa]

Our reasons for running without our lights have been posted before, but I can't be bothered to do a search, so to recap briefly;

1) Riding with your lights on can lead to a false impression of security.'I have my lights on, therefore they will see me'. Not true. People still pull out in front of bikes with lights on.

2) Sitting with your headlights blazing into a cars mirrors can come across as agressive and intimidating. Nervous car drivers, or p*ss*d off car drivers do stupid things.

3) Many junctions have rumble strips before then. You hit the strips, your lights dip with the bike, the car driver may assume you are flashing them out. Equally, many people will brake coming up to a junction if they see a car waiting in case it pulls out. Again, the bike dips, car driver may assume you are flashing them out.

4) Tony gave a detailed scientific explanation as to why drivers still either don't see you with your lights on, or can't judge where you are with your lights on, but I can't remember the exact words.

Originally Posted by Lissa

Our reasons for running without our lights have been posted before, but I can't be bothered to do a search, so to recap briefly;

1) Riding with your lights on can lead to a false impression of security.'I have my lights on, therefore they will see me'. Not true. People still pull out in front of bikes with lights on.

2) Sitting with your headlights blazing into a cars mirrors can come across as agressive and intimidating. Nervous car drivers, or p*ss*d off car drivers do stupid things.

3) Many junctions have rumble strips before then. You hit the strips, your lights dip with the bike, the car driver may assume you are flashing them out. Equally, many people will brake coming up to a junction if they see a car waiting in case it pulls out. Again, the bike dips, car driver may assume you are flashing them out.

4) Tony gave a detailed scientific explanation as to why drivers still either don't see you with your lights on, or can't judge where you are with your lights on, but I can't remember the exact words.

that was a good read - interesting-.. but now I have the Gsxr cant turn me lights off- (folk used to moan on me sv they couldnt see me cos I didnt have lights on cos I had the blue covers( reindeer eyes!! lol )


anyway- back on topic please>>

Originally Posted by Lissa

Must say, we think we'll do this. 25 quid for a full 8 hours seems like a bargain. Good old Warwickshire County Council

I wonder if other councils will take the same initiative?
Had a search for leicestershire bikesafe They're charging £60!!
In the classroom for most of the morning as well.
I only live 2 minutes from the warwickhire border, do you think that will count?