longer dogbones

[flymo]

Originally Posted by wow

Ok a few facts for you:

* Dogbones ?15 and easy job.
* Lowering seat or new seat could be up to ?85 if you have to have someone else doing it for you.
* I've heard lots of good reports from people on this forum who have gone for the longer dogbones. Friendly people (mainly girls to be honest) who get in touch via PM (as they probably like me are not keen on the technical discussions as a result of it).
* Agreed that it's better not to have to do anything to perfomance of bike but it's a naked don't forget, I'm not in it for 'racing' like a lot of SV-ers on this forum are (the SVs-ers). So losing a bit of whatever is not important to me.
* different people ride different bikes for different reasons.
* As the seat is a more complicated and expensive job that's the next option should the bike not be low enough for my legs yet.

thats fair enough but it is after all a technical section of the forum and there are plenty of knowledgable people to explain things if you are not confident with the answers.

Altering the attitude of the bike is not all about razor sharp racing or wanting to shave half a second from your commute . The point that is being made is that it will adversely affect the handling and make the bike feel and ride quite differently. That may not bother you at all but at least you can make the informed decision because its been pointed out.

A small change may not be a problem but altering the rear by lowering by an inch or more is certainly going to affect the ride, it can be compensated but only to a point.

So, I think we agree.....dogbones are cheap and easy but will affect the handling. Seat alteration or change can cost more if you dont want to do it yourself but will leave the bike to handle as it was intended.

Wow, we would be negligent if we didn't forewarn you of any potential problems with modifying your bike. And this, although simple to do, is quite a change. Although you may not be into hooning about the handling will be compromised almost certainly. And that could potentionally be fatal.

Sorry if we care about your safety.

[flymo]

one other thing to consider while I remember is the headlight aim. you may well need to adjust them/it to point downwards slightly to avoid blinding people.

Can I just say also that I think the majority of posts here are pretty friendly, you implied earlier that this wasnt the case. I hope we (or I) dont come across as patronising as thats certainly not the intention, everybody is here to help you if you need it.

Simple answer is - if you put longer dogbones in you need to drop the yokes down the forks by about 10mm maximum to counter the change in steering head angle. If you don't drop the yokes down then the bike will steer like a barge, which could be dangerous if you need to make a rapid change of direction. There's also a slight bonus in dropping the yokes down, in that it also lowers the seat a little more, which is after all what you are looking to achieve.

You're free to take the advice given by anyone, or ignore it, choice is yours - but these guy do know what they are on about.

[21QUEST]

Originally Posted by flymo_racer

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Altering the attitude of the bike is not all about razor sharp racing or wanting to shave half a second from your commute . .......

Err nothing more to really add but just to say, quite right Fly_racer.....only if some folks would just learn to steer a bike properly rather spurting about how they want the bike to 'turn on a sixpence'

Wow(member), it could be argued that lowering the back with out being able to lower front enough to match, will show a greater difference in handling....you are already seating up right so less weight in front.
That said, hope you find a solution that suits and works well for you .


Ben

Fitted longer dog bones from Bandit mania.Didn`t touch the forks,the handling feels the same .Side stand no problems.

Cheers

Originally Posted by flymo

thats fair enough but it is after all a technical section of the forum and there are plenty of knowledgable people to explain things if you are not confident with the answers.

The question was where to get the longer dogbones from.

The friend who is going to lower the bike for me with the dogbones is going to make sure the setup of the bike is not going to be fatal.

Bl**dy hell how serious do you take all this technical point scoring? Glad there are still a few sane people about (thanks for posting) and I can only repeat that it isn't a wonder that the girls I've had pms from about lowering bikes don't always post on the forum.

Keep it simple hey. How competitive can you get.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by wow

The question was where to get the longer dogbones from.

The friend who is going to lower the bike for me with the dogbones is going to make sure the setup of the bike is not going to be fatal.

Bl**dy hell how serious do you take all this technical point scoring? Glad there are still a few sane people about (thanks for posting) and I can only repeat that it isn't a wonder that the girls I've had pms from about lowering bikes don't always post on the forum.

Keep it simple hey. How competitive can you get.

I'm afraid there was no 'point scoring' at all intended on my part. The thread had changed direction slightly by beginning to discuss the possible adverse effects of the change, not by me I might add. I was only offering advice as others had. If you dont want to take it then thats fine but no need to get aggressive when people try to help.

[Lissa]

Originally Posted by wow

The question was where to get the longer dogbones from.

The friend who is going to lower the bike for me with the dogbones is going to make sure the setup of the bike is not going to be fatal.

Bl**dy hell how serious do you take all this technical point scoring? Glad there are still a few sane people about (thanks for posting) and I can only repeat that it isn't a wonder that the girls I've had pms from about lowering bikes don't always post on the forum.

Keep it simple hey. How competitive can you get.

I can't see any point scoring, I only see people trying to offer the benefit of their experience. Remember, other people who may be thinking of changing their dog bones might read this thread, and they may not be fortunate enough to have a friend to help them. Surely it's a good thing that they are fore-warned about possible adverse handling?

[dizzyblonde]

can I add to this.... I had my black bike 'jacked up' when I bought it, it made the handling sharper and I couldn't feel comfortable putting my feet down, which is the opposite of your question I know, but, with dogbones I might suggest you buy them off someone reputable no matter how high or how low you intend your bike to be,


as there are some out there that think they are selling you a favour, when in fact they are selling you something that is made of cheese and can therefore be a safety risk