R.I.P jade Clark

They need to make an example of people who flee accidents. The punishment should be far worse than if you stay and are uninsured. They need to make it so much worse because it could be the difference between someone's life and death.

[Dave20046]

Originally Posted by Fallout

Mopeds are only suitable for town use or similar low speed roads, imo. I don't know what the training is for mopeds on CBTs but aren't you supposed to command your road position (i.e. not ride in the gutter)? .

They're taught to ride "1/3 of the width of the lane away from the curb" you can't deviate from this positioning no matter what hazards are upcoming or you fail your CBT.
Or at least that's what bikesafe in sheffield teaches/taught and didn't like it challenged.

Ridiculous

Well that is ridiculous and its certainly not what they teach down this way.

Also these days it's just ride in the middle of the road if there are no hazards.

[LewSpeight]

On my CBT when I did it a whole ago I got told to move over to the side of the road when cars were behind me and I was on a 50cc moped.
Thankfully I never got one of the 50's so never was in that situation

Originally Posted by Dave20046

They're taught to ride "1/3 of the width of the lane away from the curb" you can't deviate from this positioning no matter what hazards are upcoming or you fail your CBT.
Or at least that's what bikesafe in sheffield teaches/taught and didn't like it challenged.

Ridiculous

DSA requirement for the test is exactly the same

they have to account for people who don't have the sense to decide what is good road positioning and what isn't, and in a day on the CBT they have to teach people how to ride the bike who've never even sat on one before, they don't have time to teach road positioning properly, so they default to teaching the safest position that can be applied to all circumstances, and that's not in the gutter, but away from oncoming traffic

the main concern for the DSA is new riders getting taken out by oncoming traffic cutting corners on left hand bends

I don't really agree with it, but I can understand why it is taught

Bikesafe Sheffield should be ashamed of themselves if they are teaching it too, Bikesafe is supposed to be an introduction to advanced riding, should take riders a step further on from the DSA test, and road positioning is one of the most basic concepts in advanced riding

Originally Posted by Fordward

Bikesafe Sheffield should be ashamed of themselves if they are teaching it too, Bikesafe is supposed to be an introduction to advanced riding, should take riders a step further on from the DSA test, and road positioning is one of the most basic concepts in advanced riding

Just to avoid any doubt, this is (most likely) Bikesafe the riding school, not the police-led Bikesafe scheme. As a result, I think this is putting riders in line with the DSA requirements rather than moving them on from that.

Originally Posted by orose

Just to avoid any doubt, this is (most likely) Bikesafe the riding school, not the police-led Bikesafe scheme. As a result, I think this is putting riders in line with the DSA requirements rather than moving them on from that.

OK, misunderstanding on my part, sorry

[Dave20046]

Originally Posted by orose

Just to avoid any doubt, this is (most likely) Bikesafe the riding school, not the police-led Bikesafe scheme. As a result, I think this is putting riders in line with the DSA requirements rather than moving them on from that.

Yes thanks the case, I've done a bikesafe scheme and advanced techniques were encouraged; positioning was fluid and prominent/scenario appropriate positioning was definitely encouraged.

Bikesafe are a training school, not the greatest when challenged on gutter lane their response was "I'm the instructor you're not", could have at least said they were obliged to teach you to pass the test and nothing more. Guess they have to deal with a lot of daft 16 year olds

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Dave20046

Yes thanks the case, I've done a bikesafe scheme and advanced techniques were encouraged; positioning was fluid and prominent/scenario appropriate positioning was definitely encouraged.

Bikesafe are a training school, not the greatest when challenged on gutter lane their response was "I'm the instructor you're not", could have at least said they were obliged to teach you to pass the test and nothing more. Guess they have to deal with a lot of daft 16 year olds

Any instructor in any field who responds to a genuine inquiry in that matter is not fit to teach knitting. Let alone life critical skills.

Prize muppet. Then again some CBT instuctors have "issues", those who can do, those who can't teach...

Same on my CBT & DAS last year. I was taught to ride in like a train in the middle of the lane. Taught to pass a test rather than gain real riding experience. With 9 years driving experience - I naturally moved to the left or right of the lane but quickly told not to by my instructor.