Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Halvarssons safety gloves

Edit: not power ranger approved

Aye well, the other fifteen million pairs of gloves I own are all Halvarssons

Originally Posted by Owenski

My logic: Humans can run at approx 15mph, if you ran and tripped up landing on your hands you'd never expect to break both wrists/hands in 7 places. Following that logic then its the gloves and not the collision which actually caused the injury.

15mph is a four minute mile mate. Not a sprinting pace, but not far off. Trip at that speed on a hard surface and you are going flying, and quite likely to break something.

From what I understand of this crash, Dave did an endo when trying to stop and went over the handlebars, so whilst he might have been doing 20mph when he hit the brakes, he was would have been going much slower, but falling head first, when he actually fell to the ground.

It is actually quite common in an over the handlebars crash to break your hands. When I highsided the SV, it was my hands and wrists that took the worst damage and took longest to heal. That's why I couldn't ride GM3. Look what happened to Charley Boorman when he went over the front of his Dakar bike, and that was landing in sand at what he claims was relatively slow speed.

[dizzyblonde]

You can got over the handle bars of a push bike and break both your wrists. Son no1s dad did and now has permanently fused bones with no normal movement in them due to how they had to plate them, as they wouldn't heal.

I fractured my spine just falling over backwards. Anything is possible, in what ever circumstance.

Guys everything's possible in a crash.
Sometimes football players break limbs even though they are very fit and trained how to fall,even though they play on grass.
See here my summer gloves,they protected me well back in 2008:

Another one:

Originally Posted by Owenski

you'd never expect to break both wrists/hands in 7 places. Following that logic then its the gloves and not the collision which actually caused the injury.

PS: I'm not saying the gloves didn't make the injury worse, I'm just saying don't be surprised at broken hands when you go over the bars. I don't know exactly why that is, it may be that instinct makes you hold onto the bars until the bike is vertical, then when you realise your going over the top you put your hands out to save yourself, but don't quite have time to land palms down, but that's speculation. It's quite common anyway.

Originally Posted by Owenski

Taken from the RST page:
"developed in BSB throughout the 2010 season by team RST riders Chris “Stalker” Walker, Andrew Pitt, Hudson Kennaugh and on the road by the RST development team, including multiple BSB champion Niall Mackenzie. "

They cant argue the "not for road use" really when its advertised as road tested. Did he sustain any other injuries than those to his hands Claire? if no then if you can prove the gloves were to blame then at the very least you'd expect to be able to claim loss of earnings. As Ralph wisly said thought I wouldnt be telling RST I'd be telling an injury claim specialist.

You'll get absolutely nowhere as they aren't advertised as PPE because they aren't PPE. You buy non-CE approved clothing on the understanding that they offer no measurable protection whatsoever. Your ignorance of the law regarding PPE is no excuse - there's a world of info on the internet and it's up to the buyer to do his research before paying his money. Manufacturers are not obliged to point out their garments are not PPE, it's up to you to search out the ones that are.

Your only route into a possible claim against RST would be because they have used the word 'Protection' in their advertising blurb. However, they can always come back and say they offer good weather protection as nowhere in that blurb do they claim they will save you from or reduce the likelihood of injury in a crash situation.

Fact is, the guy went over the handlebars and landed square on his hands. I've met him and he's a biggish lad, he's damned lucky he didn't smash his arms at the same time. Not being funny in the slightest, but he got away lightly with the injuries he got and I really don't think any gloves made would have stopped his hands and wrists from being hurt. Time to stop trying to pass the buck and claim some compo from the glove maker and simply accept that he's hurt and it was a true and blameless consequence of an accident - claim the compo from the other driver if he can.

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Fact is, the guy went over the handlebars and landed square on his hands. I've met him and he's a biggish lad, he's damned lucky he didn't smash his arms at the same time. Not being funny in the slightest, but he got away lightly with the injuries he got and I really don't think any gloves made would have stopped his hands and wrists from being hurt. Time to stop trying to pass the buck and claim some compo from the glove maker and simply accept that he's hurt and it was a true and blameless consequence of an accident - claim the compo from the other driver if he can.

Erm Lozzo I really think you need to read the original post before replying.....

you are so far of the mark that i`m shaking my head at your ignorance. Fact is that Dave is not trying to claim compensation, if you had read the original post you would have read the words

"He doesn`t want compensation as its more important that other people don`t suffer the same fate but he would like the cost of the gloves reimbursed cos they weren`t cheap".

It`s other people that have mentioned compensation... not Dave or myself.

Again if you had read the thread fully you would have read the words......

"there is no damage or even a scuff mark to any part of the gloves and Dave says his hands didn`t even hit the floor as he didn`t let go of the handlebars"


so you`re wrong yet again and where did you get the impression that Dave "landed square on his hands" ??????

How dare you start insulting people and spouting off untrue facts purely because you couldn`t be bothered reading the thread. Your laziness made you jump to a conclusion and you`ve made a total prat of yourself. I`ll repeat once more that Dave is not looking for financial compensation from RST other than the possibility of a refund for the cost of the gloves. His bike is fully repaired without claiming from anyones insurance company and he is on full pay whilst off sick so does not need to resort to "trying to pass the buck and claim some compo"

Originally Posted by Speedy Claire

Erm Lozzo I really think you need to read the original post before replying.....

you are so far of the mark that i`m shaking my head at your ignorance. Fact is that Dave is not trying to claim compensation, if you had read the original post you would have read the words

"He doesn`t want compensation as its more important that other people don`t suffer the same fate but he would like the cost of the gloves reimbursed cos they weren`t cheap".

It`s other people that have mentioned compensation... not Dave or myself.

Again if you had read the thread fully you would have read the words......

"there is no damage or even a scuff mark to any part of the gloves and Dave says his hands didn`t even hit the floor as he didn`t let go of the handlebars"


so you`re wrong yet again and where did you get the impression that Dave "landed square on his hands" ??????

How dare you start insulting people and spouting off untrue facts purely because you couldn`t be bothered reading the thread. Your laziness made you jump to a conclusion and you`ve made a total prat of yourself. I`ll repeat once more that Dave is not looking for financial compensation from RST other than the possibility of a refund for the cost of the gloves. His bike is fully repaired without claiming from anyones insurance company and he is on full pay whilst off sick so does not need to resort to "trying to pass the buck and claim some compo"

Well said Clare.

If you have concerns about the design of the gloves, simply draw it to RST's attention.

Despite what Bozzo says, the gloves are designed to give 'impact' protection. This is explained in RST's online literature, & no doubt in the literature supplied with the gloves.

PPE is a term principally used for protective equipment in the workplace, the CE mark will therefore only generally be used in respect of such equipment. That said, the term is also applied to any equipment used for personal protection. However, as there is no regulatory requirement to wear gloves whilst riding a bike, there is no requirement to mark gloves used for that purpose with the CE mark.

Most people (Bozzo excepted) would not make the mistake of buying motorcycle gloves to protect themselves from the rain, although gear used for weather protection could also be classed as PPE.

I know you don't wish to pursue a claim against RST, however, if you did, you would have to prove that the gloves were defective in some way (either design or manufacture) and that the defect caused or contributed to the injury.

A point where Bozzo is correct is that protective equipment cannot always prevent injury. If you fall of a motorcycle I think you can expect to sustain injury of some degree, no matter what gear you are wearing. The gloves will be designed to provide as much protection as possible to a multitude of scenarios. I think in this case Dave has just been unlucky in the way the accident occurred and the way he fell, causing realively serious injuries under the circumstances. The gloves may well have contributed to these, but that does not mean they are defective.

In any event, it is definitely worth making RST aware of the potential problem so they at least investigate and redesign if they deem necessary.

Glad Dave is making good progress.

Love and peace x

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by DMC

The gloves will be designed to provide as much protection as possible to a multitude of scenarios.

I would question how much design they actually do and how much is sales driven TBH.